caulfield12 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 What plus skill does Tilson have at this point? He's going to have to hit .400 in spring training to make it as the final outfielder. Is he going to play winter ball? Can't imagine his timing coming back that quickly after sitting for almost two years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 04:14 PM) Well, as a first round draft pick I'd say he deserves MLB at bats, a look so to say. I guess I'm wrong from what I've read on here, but lets say the guy could hit 35 home runs a year minimum with the prpoer at bats for the next 5 seasons. Whose career would compare at that point? Almost 200 home runs in the bigs, not so bad. I do think many first rounders deserve a look, although Fields like witesoxfan said was a first rounder and CJ Henry too. Well, your invoking the name of Fields wins you this argument at least temporarily. Yes Fields was a first round draft pick also. Yes Fields did have the 23 home run season right off the bat then sucked big time. Your identifying Shields as a possible clone does indeed win you this argument. Cause if he indeed is the next Fields, then he blows. In a debate, no question, the revelation of Shields as a comparison or precedent case if you will, gives you the victory in this argument. If I start thinking of Davidson as Fields I will definitely despise him, soon, rather than have hopes he is a 35 homer guy the next 5 seasons minimum. I'm not down on Moncada. You making that up? I'm just upset that the darlings we get in trades are going to get all sorts of support on here and a guy like Davidson (who also was a first rounder; I'd think the first round cliche would help him with fans) will draw yawns even if he hits 30 homers this year. My position for the record is I'm against the rebuild but as a "fan" I have the right to cheer for the product if and when it succeeds no matter if I supported the move to begin with. I have nothing against a potential outfield of Eloy, Robert and Rutherford with Q or somebody else at DH. I have nothing against an infield of Burger, TA, Moncada and Abreu and Collins catching and all those arms in the rotation. I don't know where you got my Moncada hate from. I'll never understand many fans always wanting the unknown over what is known. Greg, are Chris Carter and Pedro Alvarez successful big leaguers? Compare the walk totals of Matt, with say, Joey Gallo and Schwarber, per at bat. What stands out about his game defensively? Is he a good baserunner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 03:59 PM) He's an interesting guy, and definitely one the Sox should be taking a look at. Problem is, he kind of sucks. He plays many positions and is slashing .284/.338/.418 with a .756 OPS. I too think that he can be a good utility player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 11:18 PM) Greg, are Chris Carter and Pedro Alvarez successful big leaguers? Compare the walk totals of Matt, with say, Joey Gallo and Schwarber, per at bat. What stands out about his game defensively? Is he a good baserunner? You guys win. Davidson is a non prospect. I move on to the next argument at some point. I will be interested to see as an addendum how quickly you guys give up on Burger if ever if he doesn't look so hot in peripheral stats after 300 at bats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 05:09 PM) I mean, I guess we haven't seen much of Tilson (2 PAs!), but his game has never excited me much. He doesn't excite me either, but if somehow he & Engel are your best two options for LF & CF, then it should hands down be Engel in CF & Tilson in LF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 04:22 PM) You guys win. Davidson is a non prospect. I move on to the next argument at some point. I will be interested to see as an addendum how quickly you guys give up on Burger if ever if he doesn't look so hot in peripheral stats after 300 at bats. We'll try it another way... Which player would you rather have on the White Sox, Matt Davidson or Whit Merrifield? Other than power, what advantages does Davidson provide? Or Leury Garcia vs. Davidson, would you start both of them for the Sox? (Davidson at third, Leury somewhere in outfield.) Edited July 31, 2017 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 05:25 PM) He doesn't excite me either, but if somehow he & Engel are your best two options for LF & CF, then it should hands down be Engel in CF & Tilson in LF. And I am wondering what happened to Avi, Willy, Cordell, Delmonico, and Liriano, among others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 04:34 PM) And I am wondering what happened to Avi, Willy, Cordell, Delmonico, and Liriano, among others. Cordell could be the next Aaron Altherr...he has to play everyday at his age to see what they actually have. And do they have any remaining love for Asche or just DFA? Hayes and Gillespie, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 CF Adam Tilson 2B Yoan Tilson 1B Jose Tilson RF Avi Tilson 3B Matt Tilson LF Ryan Tilson DH Nicky Tilson C Omar Tilson SS Tim Tilson All the Tilsons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 QUOTE (2005thxfrthmmrs @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 04:46 PM) CF Adam Tilson 2B Yoan Tilson 1B Jose Tilson RF Avi Tilson 3B Matt Tilson LF Ryan Tilson DH Nicky Tilson C Omar Tilson SS Tim Tilson All the Tilsons. You missed the most common one out there, Leury Tilson. Can find one in nearly every US phonebook, just like there are 32 different towns and cities named Clinton in America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 05:48 PM) You missed the most common one out there, Leury Tilson. Can find one in nearly every US phonebook, just like there are 32 different towns and cities named Clinton in America. I got Leury Tilson, or as he likes to be called, Larry Tilson, penciled in as the 4th OF and emergency bullpen arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 QUOTE (2005thxfrthmmrs @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 04:51 PM) I got Leury Tilson, or as he likes to be called, Larry Tilson, penciled in as the 4th OF and emergency bullpen arm. He'll easily get 10-15 relief appearances next year. Guess it depends on your definition of "emergency." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 If Davidson could play an average 3B he'd be a plus 1-2 WAR player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 05:56 PM) If Davidson could play an average 3B he'd be a plus 1-2 WAR player. If my aunt had a d*** she would be my uncle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Your aunt can be whatever she feels like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 11:56 PM) If Davidson could play an average 3B he'd be a plus 1-2 WAR player. Another Matt fan here? Cool. Two in the club. Good job Mr. Davidson. Another home run, 22, creeping u closer to 30 and another game-winning hit for a wretched ballclub. Since I've been convinced by the board that Matt is nothing, I looked up if he's already earned his MLB pension. Answer is yes. Good for matt. Rule says: "MLB players must play 43 days in the majors to earn a minimum $34,000 annual pension plan. Just one day in the majors gets them lifetime healthcare coverage. After 10 years in the big leagues, benefits grow to $100,000 annually." No matter what a free 34,000 a year and lifetime healthcare; not a bad start to go with his minimum salary of 500,000 or so. Keep it truckin Matt. Prove 'em all wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 08:30 PM) Another Matt fan here? Cool. Two in the club. Good job Mr. Davidson. Another home run, 22, creeping u closer to 30 and another game-winning hit for a wretched ballclub. Since I've been convinced by the board that Matt is nothing, I looked up if he's already earned his MLB pension. Answer is yes. Good for matt. Rule says: "MLB players must play 43 days in the majors to earn a minimum $34,000 annual pension plan. Just one day in the majors gets them lifetime healthcare coverage. After 10 years in the big leagues, benefits grow to $100,000 annually." No matter what a free 34,000 a year and lifetime healthcare; not a bad start to go with his minimum salary of 500,000 or so. Keep it truckin Matt. Prove 'em all wrong. There are also things to like about Davidson besides the power, He does use all fields. He is not strictly a pull hitter . He also made adjustments that have obviously paid off in his hit tool. He may never get the K rate below 25% but I think he'll become a more selective hitter as he learns the league. HR's still are the most effective way to get runs . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 1, 2017 -> 04:02 AM) There are also things to like about Davidson besides the power, He does use all fields. He is not strictly a pull hitter . He also made adjustments that have obviously paid off in his hit tool. He may never get the K rate below 25% but I think he'll become a more selective hitter as he learns the league. HR's still are the most effective way to get runs . I'd think being a first-round draft pick would have the stat people in his corner, but boy oh boy I found out what people think of Matt. I just wonder how they'd feel about him if he was one of the guys acquired in all the trades this year. On a team this wretched, if I had to pick a jersey to buy/wear for this horrific last-place season, I'd wear the jersey of Matt Davidson. OK, Jose Abreu, but Davidson would be in my top five picks for jersey. Edited August 1, 2017 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstar Lamar Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 10:30 PM) Another Matt fan here? Cool. Two in the club. Good job Mr. Davidson. Another home run, 22, creeping u closer to 30 and another game-winning hit for a wretched ballclub. Since I've been convinced by the board that Matt is nothing, I looked up if he's already earned his MLB pension. Answer is yes. Good for matt. Rule says: "MLB players must play 43 days in the majors to earn a minimum $34,000 annual pension plan. Just one day in the majors gets them lifetime healthcare coverage. After 10 years in the big leagues, benefits grow to $100,000 annually." No matter what a free 34,000 a year and lifetime healthcare; not a bad start to go with his minimum salary of 500,000 or so. Keep it truckin Matt. Prove 'em all wrong. Count me in the Matt Batt-alion as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (soxfan49 @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 07:16 PM) If my aunt had a d*** she would be my uncle Haven't heard that one in a while! Although I used to say ' if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle'. Edited August 1, 2017 by BlackSox13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted August 4, 2017 Author Share Posted August 4, 2017 Greg, I'm rooting for Matt as well. However, my hope is that he establishes himself as a bonafide slugger, who could be used as a trade chip, to net something needed for that juggernaut squad, which Hahn is putting together for 2020. I suspect that sluggers will not be in short supply on that team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 I'm sort of surprised people are even remotely suggesting either Engel or Tilson as starting in front of Leury next year. Neither of those two guys are elite prospects by any stretch, and Leury has really made a nice breakthrough at the Major League level this year. I think a starting position in the outfield is his to lose at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkness99 Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 engel is great defensively.. but I'm troubled by the fact that he can't hit a fast ball down the middle of the plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 QUOTE (harkness @ Aug 5, 2017 -> 11:26 AM) engel is great defensively.. but I'm troubled by the fact that he can't hit a fast ball down the middle of the plate. I don't think Engel ever figures it out offensively and I would definitely play Luery over him in CF next year. And I honestly think Willy, Delmonico, & Cordell all deserve playing time over him in LF as well. Best case scenario IMO is Engel hits enough to be a solid 4th OF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Aug 5, 2017 -> 11:55 AM) I don't think Engel ever figures it out offensively and I would definitely play Luery over him in CF next year. And I honestly think Willy, Delmonico, & Cordell all deserve playing time over him in LF as well. Best case scenario IMO is Engel hits enough to be a solid 4th OF. Any way we could just combine Delmonico's bat and Engel's glove? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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