I'm definitely in the "it's way, way too early to write him off" camp but it'd be nicer to be able to point to things about Trubisky that indicate he's going to be a top QB rather than having to make excuses for why he hasn't looked all that great yet.

It is tough to blame this all or even mostly on coaching. This roster lacks premium talent, and they completely lack depth. If everything went right and no one at the top of the roster got hurt, it was a borderline playoff team. But with any injuries to key guys, this roster was f***ed. They need players and they need stars badly.

The things I blame on coaching (or put more on coaching) go back to the fact that we make a lot of unforced errors / mistakes. Too many penalties, etc. That said, I don't think we are a playoff team with Belicheck either. The roster just has too many issues, especially after the injuries. The rot ran deep on the roster and throughout the organization and there has been a cultural shift / improvement under Fox...but the reality is, he has his issues, but you really can't pin it all on him and we very well could take steps backwards if we go to someone else (as Fox has proven he can win with good talent...that isn't / shouldn't be a question). He's a better coach then most coaches the Bears have had over the last 30 years. Is he an elite coach, probably not, but he's a good to very good coach. That said, he might not be the right coach to bring the Bears on the next step of the journey. What he isn't awesome at is game planning though. The lack of penalties is another bad thing that ultimately falls on him, but certainly doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies (in regards to Loggains). That said, lots of injuries / personnel issue impact things too (and players are also responsible).

This is the real issue. Even with the poor talent at WR, he wasn't accurate enough to give them the chance to drop the ball. His accuracy was supposed to be the thing that separated him from the others. He hasn't shown it so far. Maybe he can't read it soon enough or is pressured too much. There are a variety of reasons but he hasn't shown much yet.

I agree with you completely. His footwork has been awful as he just hasn't been comfortable. If you aren't ready to read defenses, you aren't really going to be natural in your throwing motions, etc. Eyes are head of the feet / rest of the body and he's really learning (and in an uphill battle). It goes back to what Fox and company were saying originally...he wasn't ready to play. But at some point, glennon was so bad that they decided they'd push it and give Trubisky reps sooner.

Bears Insider‏ @bears_insider 14m14 minutes ago Sources: #Bears already have list of names to replace John Fox potential head-coaching candidates and Vic Fangio isn’t one of them

 

 

Giants named Geno Smith their new starting QB.

— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) November 28, 2017

 

Wow, after 210 consecutive starts, Eli is pretty much done in New York.

 

I don't understand why they are starting the 27 year old journeyman who has proven to NOT be good instead of the 22 year old youngster, but whatever

 

Eli crying with reporters. That's garbage.

Maybe MacAdoo will wise up.

Bears Insider‏ @bears_insider 14m14 minutes ago Sources: #Bears already have list of names to replace John Fox potential head-coaching candidates and Vic Fangio isn’t one of them

To be honest, this shouldn't surprise us. If we are hiring someone, given we invested in a QB, we should be hiring the person we think is going to maximize Trubisky and that inevitably will be an offensive mind.

To be honest, this shouldn't surprise us. If we are hiring someone, given we invested in a QB, we should be hiring the person we think is going to maximize Trubisky and that inevitably will be an offensive mind.

 

I dont think the HC matters that much. If anything it may be better to have a HC that isnt as involved in the offense and have an OC who is very established. Too many times HC's who are also OC's can lose focus.

I dont think the HC matters that much. If anything it may be better to have a HC that isnt as involved in the offense and have an OC who is very established. Too many times HC's who are also OC's can lose focus.

I think it is more that the OC can always be hired away, so you want someone with a philosphy and approach that is your head coach and has that building block / program for the QB. He doesn't need to be the OC, etc, but with a young QB, you need stability and if you hire a defensive guy as your HC and hire a top assistant at OC and in one year Trubisky makes progress, that guy might be a HC somewhere else and now Trubisky is onto his 3rd system. That is just not a risk I'm willing to take.

I dont think the HC matters that much. If anything it may be better to have a HC that isnt as involved in the offense and have an OC who is very established. Too many times HC's who are also OC's can lose focus.

I'm not sure how you can look at the LA Rams and honestly say that.

I'm not sure how you can look at the LA Rams and honestly say that.

 

Eh. Belicheck was a DC and his team has been one of the best offensively for years. Mora (DC) was the HC when Manning came into the league. Kevin Gillbride (OC) was Leaf's HC.

 

Its more important to find the best HC, irrespective of whether they are offensive or defensive.

Eh. Belicheck was a DC and his team has been one of the best offensively for years. Mora (DC) was the HC when Manning came into the league. Kevin Gillbride (OC) was Leaf's HC.

 

Its more important to find the best HC, irrespective of whether they are offensive or defensive.

At the time Belicheck was hired they had an outstanding defense and a veteran QB. He happened to get lucky and get Tom Brady and the rest is history, but it wasn't like he was hired to take over a team with a young QB who you had invested a ton in. I'm not opposed to hiring defensive coaches. I think for teams who are investing in a young QB, hiring a bright offensive mind to ensure you have a consistent offensive strategy is critical. If you go defensive, you are essentially dependent on your OC sticking around (since you yourself don't have your own "scheme").

Eh. Belicheck was a DC and his team has been one of the best offensively for years. Mora (DC) was the HC when Manning came into the league. Kevin Gillbride (OC) was Leaf's HC.

 

Its more important to find the best HC, irrespective of whether they are offensive or defensive.

Probably some truth in that, but If all things are equal, with the young QB, I'm going with an offensive guy. If we hired Toub though or someone who we thought was just a fantastic guy, then so be it.

I wonder if Dave Toub could be a candidate. Obviously a little more difficult to judge ST performance than OFF/DEF performance but he's been in that role for a while now and he's as highly regarded as ever.

He will get interviews this year with so many expected vacancies. I would think he would get one with the Bears.

I think Toub will definitely be interviewed, and not only by the bears

I heard there is no way Fangio will be the Bears interim HC. Supposedly there are some higher ups, and I don't know who, who feel like Fangio doesn't like them. They are counting the days until he is gone.

Toub could end up in Indy with the Ballard connection.

Arlington Heights native Jimmy Garropolo to start vs Bears on Sunday.

 

I'll be in attendance, since my tickets are worthless and my friend who likes to drink and knows nothing about football wants to go. Perfect type of game to take him to.

 

Fox is gone no matter what, but home losses to the 49ers or Browns would be the ultimate stain on his legacy.

I heard there is no way Fangio will be the Bears interim HC. Supposedly there are some higher ups, and I don't know who, who feel like Fangio doesn't like them. They are counting the days until he is gone.

He isn't a very personable kind of guy. He's real quiet and doesn't go out of his way to please people. Maybe that turns people off in interviews.

I heard there is no way Fangio will be the Bears interim HC. Supposedly there are some higher ups, and I don't know who, who feel like Fangio doesn't like them. They are counting the days until he is gone.

Yeah, Gabriel and Lemming have both indicated Fangio is not on Pace's list of potential head coaching candidates. Gabriel went on to say that Pace wouldn't want to ax Fox and give it to Fangio because if he does well, there would be more pressure to hire a guy he doesn't want.

Arlington Heights native Jimmy Garropolo to start vs Bears on Sunday.

 

I'll be in attendance, since my tickets are worthless and my friend who likes to drink and knows nothing about football wants to go. Perfect type of game to take him to.

 

Fox is gone no matter what, but home losses to the 49ers or Browns would be the ultimate stain on his legacy.

 

Personally, I'd love it. Get that top pick as far as I am concerned.

Personally, I'd love it. Get that top pick as far as I am concerned.

I have a $100 bet on over 4.5 wins this year

Patrick Finley‏Verified account @patrickfinley 41s41 seconds ago The #Bears certainly missed Danny Trevathan. He's back — and thinks he'll play Sunday

 

 

Adam Hoge‏Verified account @AdamHoge 36m36 minutes ago Tre McBride and Josh Bellamy were the two primary players involved in Monday’s argument, per multiple sources. Obviously one player is still on the roster and the other is not. McBride was waived Tuesday. As for Bellamy, he was not in the locker room today for comment.