July 31, 20187 yr Saw some of their series this weekend against Pawtucket and he is ready to move up. Now maybe the team will want to hold back for control reasons but he is wearing out AAA pitching.
July 31, 20187 yr I guess it's true the AA is more competitive than AAA...I bet this same thing will happen with Vlad Jr. for the Jays
July 31, 20187 yr We recently saw a team sign an extension with a guy before he got called up right? Let's be creative here. Tim Anderson got himself $25 million guaranteed. Jiminez looks a lot more tempting than Anderson. So, go to Jiminez and offer this: 2019: $2 million 2020: $2 million 2021: $2 million 2022: $9 million 2023: $12 million 2024: $15 milllion option/$3 million buyout 2025: $20 million option/$3 million buyout. That's $30 million guaranteed for him as written and he gets some of the money moved up early, that's a little less each year than he'd make if he went to arbitration each of those years so the White Sox save a little, the White Sox get that extra year of control and can stop playing the game with calling him up, and he will only have just finished his 28 year old season when he hits free agency so if he's playing like a guy en route to the Hall of Fame he can still score a half billion dollar contract in 2025. Who does that not work for?
July 31, 20187 yr 5 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: We recently saw a team sign an extension with a guy before he got called up right? Let's be creative here. Tim Anderson got himself $25 million guaranteed. Jiminez looks a lot more tempting than Anderson. So, go to Jiminez and offer this: 2019: $2 million 2020: $2 million 2021: $2 million 2022: $9 million 2023: $12 million 2024: $15 milllion option/$3 million buyout 2025: $20 million option/$3 million buyout. That's $30 million guaranteed for him as written and he gets some of the money moved up early, that's a little less each year than he'd make if he went to arbitration each of those years so the White Sox save a little, the White Sox get that extra year of control and can stop playing the game with calling him up, and he will only have just finished his 28 year old season when he hits free agency so if he's playing like a guy en route to the Hall of Fame he can still score a half billion dollar contract in 2025. Who does that not work for? Is there anyway to determine the value if he proceeded on a normal path? I know the arbitration can't be calculated exactly but based on current Kris Bryant path of arbitration it would be interesting to compare.
July 31, 20187 yr 7 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: We recently saw a team sign an extension with a guy before he got called up right? Let's be creative here. Tim Anderson got himself $25 million guaranteed. Jiminez looks a lot more tempting than Anderson. So, go to Jiminez and offer this: 2019: $2 million 2020: $2 million 2021: $2 million 2022: $9 million 2023: $12 million 2024: $15 milllion option/$3 million buyout 2025: $20 million option/$3 million buyout. That's $30 million guaranteed for him as written and he gets some of the money moved up early, that's a little less each year than he'd make if he went to arbitration each of those years so the White Sox save a little, the White Sox get that extra year of control and can stop playing the game with calling him up, and he will only have just finished his 28 year old season when he hits free agency so if he's playing like a guy en route to the Hall of Fame he can still score a half billion dollar contract in 2025. Who does that not work for? Sounds great to me, though I'd prefer a team option for 2026.
July 31, 20187 yr Just have to laugh at the defense comment, from a team that brought up Nicky Delmonico and Daniel Palka to play the OF. We're really grasping at straws here!
July 31, 20187 yr 12 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: We recently saw a team sign an extension with a guy before he got called up right? Let's be creative here. Tim Anderson got himself $25 million guaranteed. Jiminez looks a lot more tempting than Anderson. So, go to Jiminez and offer this: 2019: $2 million 2020: $2 million 2021: $2 million 2022: $9 million 2023: $12 million 2024: $15 milllion option/$3 million buyout 2025: $20 million option/$3 million buyout. That's $30 million guaranteed for him as written and he gets some of the money moved up early, that's a little less each year than he'd make if he went to arbitration each of those years so the White Sox save a little, the White Sox get that extra year of control and can stop playing the game with calling him up, and he will only have just finished his 28 year old season when he hits free agency so if he's playing like a guy en route to the Hall of Fame he can still score a half billion dollar contract in 2025. Who does that not work for? I wouldn't assume they haven't already at least started asking.
July 31, 20187 yr 6 minutes ago, ptatc said: Is there anyway to determine the value if he proceeded on a normal path? I know the arbitration can't be calculated exactly but based on current Kris Bryant path of arbitration it would be interesting to compare. Not unreasonable guesses, assuming he's a great ballplayer: If he was called up right now: 2019: Pre-Arb (<$1 million) 2020: Pre-Arb (<$1 million) 2021: Pre-Arb (<$1 million) 2022: Arb 1 - $12 milion 2023: Arb 2 - $16 million 2024: Arb 3 - $20 million 2025: Free Agent If the White Sox wait until next April: 2019: Pre-Arb (<$1 million) 2020: Pre-Arb (<$1 million) 2021: Pre-Arb (<$1 million) 2022: Arb 1 - $12 milion 2023: Arb 2 - $16 million 2024: Arb 3 - $20 million 2025: Arb 4 - $24 million Give or take, if he's called up next April, he can earn about $72 million. You could probably quibble with those numbers by a million or two, it's hard to predict precisely that far out, but I don't think they're off that badly. The way I wrote that deal, the most he could earn is $62 million, and he trades that earnings for the early career $30 million guaranteed.
July 31, 20187 yr 1 minute ago, Buehrlesque said: Just have to laugh at the defense comment, from a team that brought up Nicky Delmonico and Daniel Palka to play the OF. We're really grasping at straws here! Yeah,I think it is silly myself, but if you think about the development of the player to best contribute to the team when he gets here, it kind of makes sense. Palka and Delmonico are up here to fill holes. That is not what Jimenez will be doing. But, I'm not sure how much he can improve defensively...in the outfield...in AAA compared to MLB. Like, it's a corner outfield spot. All you need is an arm and a little bit of reading skills. We already know he has a good arm. Completely different than center.
July 31, 20187 yr 5 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Not unreasonable guesses, assuming he's a great ballplayer: If he was called up right now: 2019: Pre-Arb (<$1 million) 2020: Pre-Arb (<$1 million) 2021: Pre-Arb (<$1 million) 2022: Arb 1 - $12 milion 2023: Arb 2 - $16 million 2024: Arb 3 - $20 million 2025: Free Agent If the White Sox wait until next April: 2019: Pre-Arb (<$1 million) 2020: Pre-Arb (<$1 million) 2021: Pre-Arb (<$1 million) 2022: Arb 1 - $12 milion 2023: Arb 2 - $16 million 2024: Arb 3 - $20 million 2025: Arb 4 - $24 million Give or take, if he's called up next April, he can earn about $72 million. You could probably quibble with those numbers by a million or two, it's hard to predict precisely that far out, but I don't think they're off that badly. The way I wrote that deal, the most he could earn is $62 million, and he trades that earnings for the early career $30 million guaranteed. I think your plan would be a good deal for both sides. As you said he gives up a little money for guaranteed generational wealth and more money early. It's kind of like a 10 million dollar insurance policy against a catastrophic injury early in his career.
July 31, 20187 yr 2 minutes ago, Scoots said: Yeah,I think it is silly myself, but if you think about the development of the player to best contribute to the team when he gets here, it kind of makes sense. Palka and Delmonico are up here to fill holes. That is not what Jimenez will be doing. But, I'm not sure how much he can improve defensively...in the outfield...in AAA compared to MLB. Like, it's a corner outfield spot. All you need is an arm and a little bit of reading skills. We already know he has a good arm. Completely different than center. Unless there is something he's doing clearly wrong then it's completely BS. If there's something he's doing clearly wrong, like when Jose Abreu didn't know where to put his feet at 1b and it took Ventura's staff 2 months to realize it and he almost got himself hurt repeatedly before they woke up, then the question is - why haven't they been coaching him on that during the year+ they've had him? Because it's complete BS. What's frustrating me is that they had a much better excuse to keep Moncada down last year, his numbers were no where near like Jiminez's numbers right now, and yet it seems like theyr'e going to play the service time game here but they didn't with Moncada.
July 31, 20187 yr 12 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Unless there is something he's doing clearly wrong then it's completely BS. If there's something he's doing clearly wrong, like when Jose Abreu didn't know where to put his feet at 1b and it took Ventura's staff 2 months to realize it and he almost got himself hurt repeatedly before they woke up, then the question is - why haven't they been coaching him on that during the year+ they've had him? Because it's complete BS. What's frustrating me is that they had a much better excuse to keep Moncada down last year, his numbers were no where near like Jiminez's numbers right now, and yet it seems like theyr'e going to play the service time game here but they didn't with Moncada. If it's really about him learning from different defensive situations, he'd face more of those in the majors. But maybe KW saw the effect of calling up Moncada, Anderson and the 3 pitchers, if not before they were ready, before they dominated lower levels and now he wants to make sure that the AA and AAA coaches do the teaching. Maybe Renteria, Cooper et al are more focused on winning games than on development. Thus, pitching Rodon for 110+, only tepid chances for Leury to learn CF, etc. Just speculation, obviously.
July 31, 20187 yr Author 1 minute ago, GreenSox said: Maybe Renteria, Cooper et al are more focused on winning games than on development. Thus, pitching Rodon for 110+, only tepid chances for Leury to learn CF, etc. Just speculation, obviously. If that were the case, Leury would be in CF every day and Adam Engel would be in Charlotte/on the bench
July 31, 20187 yr 21 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Unless there is something he's doing clearly wrong then it's completely BS. If there's something he's doing clearly wrong, like when Jose Abreu didn't know where to put his feet at 1b and it took Ventura's staff 2 months to realize it and he almost got himself hurt repeatedly before they woke up, then the question is - why haven't they been coaching him on that during the year+ they've had him? Because it's complete BS. What's frustrating me is that they had a much better excuse to keep Moncada down last year, his numbers were no where near like Jiminez's numbers right now, and yet it seems like theyr'e going to play the service time game here but they didn't with Moncada. Yeah, it's all BS. It won't matter in a week or two when he's called up, but for now, I'd say better to just not say anything than come up with this farcical lines.
July 31, 20187 yr 3 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said: If that were the case, Leury would be in CF every day and Adam Engel would be in Charlotte/on the bench Depends on how you value defense. Leury misses catchable balls out there. Anyway, the work by the Birmingham and Charlotte coaches seems to have been exquisite so at least he should continue to learn down there.
July 31, 20187 yr 24 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said: The "checking boxes" meme is already tired as hell. Good job on that, guys. I think Charlotte should change their name to the "Charlotte Box Checkers" and their new mascot is a dude in a polo and khakis with a clipboard and a pen checking off boxes. Edited July 31, 20187 yr by Scoots
July 31, 20187 yr 28 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said: The "checking boxes" meme is already tired as hell. Good job on that, guys. Agreed. Eloy and Kopech should be up April 12, 2019...which should be the first game of the 5th series. No apologies or excuses needed. Just wait until you get the extra year.
July 31, 20187 yr 1 hour ago, flavum said: Agreed. Eloy and Kopech should be up April 12, 2019...which should be the first game of the 5th series. No apologies or excuses needed. Just wait until you get the extra year. I'm on this side. Just be patient. Edited July 31, 20187 yr by soxfan2014
July 31, 20187 yr 1 hour ago, flavum said: Agreed. Eloy and Kopech should be up April 12, 2019...which should be the first game of the 5th series. No apologies or excuses needed. Just wait until you get the extra year. This is the box I'm checking.
July 31, 20187 yr At this point just keep them all down for the extra year of control. If they want to be mad they can complain to their union for agreeing to such a stupid CBA
July 31, 20187 yr Do they need to be added to the 40-man this off-season? If not, waiting until next year also helps carry around 2 extra guys in the off-season.
July 31, 20187 yr If Jimenez had a couple hundred more plate appearances above A ball, and he was doing this, they would have to call him up, but why do it if you don't have to? I thought rebuilds were about patience. Be patient, get the extra year of control. If he spends an extra month in AAA, it isn't going to make him a bad player, and if it somehow did, something else would have anyway.
July 31, 20187 yr 2 hours ago, Buehrlesque said: Yeah, it's all BS. It won't matter in a week or two when he's called up, but for now, I'd say better to just not say anything than come up with this farcical lines. Yep.Hahn knew better than to say exactly what boxes needed to be checked because he knew it would sound ridiculous. Kenny on the other hand.... Imagine KW saying that about Frank Thomas. He'd have never been brought up .
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