I wonder why his numbers were so much worse after KC traded him to Washington.

I think my concern is they've spent roughly 35 million for next season on stop-gap measures.  That's a lot of money for a team that will lose a lot of games in 2019 without some big additions.

 

so our pen isn't complete dog crap nice

CL - Colome
SU - Herrera
SU - Fry*
MR - Jones
MR - Bummer*
LO - Frare*
LR - Covey

with Burr and Hamilton riding between AAA and the show

6 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said:

Whether we sign Machado or Harper, we're still at least 2 years from competing. Signing a legit reliever while his value is down to a 2 year deal looks like a rebound and flip deal. This is still the beginning of a major rebuild. 

Beginning? Nah, I would say dead in the middle, but not the beginning.

2 minutes ago, oldsox said:

I wonder why his numbers were so much worse after KC traded him to Washington.

Injuries 

Just now, fathom said:

I think my concern is they've spent roughly 35 million for next season on stop-gap measures.  That's a lot of money for a team that will lose a lot of games in 2019 without some big additions.

Here's why I don't think it's very high stakes, I don't think anyone is blocking anyone, the players with greater than 1 year of control are easily tradeable, and otherwise are one year deals.

I also think part of this is to help better gauge how ricky manages, as I do think it's really hard to tell what you have in a manager when you give him bonfire bullpens.

Just now, beautox said:

so our pen isn't complete dog crap nice

CL - Colome
SU - Herrera
SU - Fry*
MR - Jones
MR - Bummer*
LO - Frare*
LR - Covey

with Burr and Hamilton riding between AAA and the show

Also birdi should be included at some point

1 minute ago, fathom said:

I think my concern is they've spent roughly 35 million for next season on stop-gap measures.  That's a lot of money for a team that will lose a lot of games in 2019 without some big additions.

Unless they're thinking long term and want to keep the farm stocked. 

 

This rebuild still hinges on Moncada, Robert, Eloy, Kopech, Cease, Dunning etc. 

Just now, Scoots said:

Beginning? Nah, I would say dead in the middle, but not the beginning.

Same, I think they expect to compete by 2020. I think they're going for 1 of the whales and then target one of the top starters next year. 

1 minute ago, Scoots said:

Beginning? Nah, I would say dead in the middle, but not the beginning.

I won't think it's the middle until we get more farm production on the MLB field. 

Atta boy Joe. Now some of those other "posters" can shut up talking shit.

 

6 minutes ago, oldsox said:

I wonder why his numbers were so much worse after KC traded him to Washington.

lisfranc injury in his plant foot

11 minutes ago, Whitesox27 said:

Herrera and Colome aren't scrubs...

For Herrera, documented drop in velocity over the last few seasons, and it shows in performance. 2017 was putrid for him, and K rates have fallen with his velocity. After going to Washington last year, he gave up 24 hits in 18 IP. He's not the once dominant fireballer who helped make the Royals so great.

Colome is just...unremarkable. A right handed reliever with a career WHIP of 1.21, and it's gone under 1.15 just once. Yet, thus far, he is our prize acquisition.

On 1/7/2019 at 1:19 PM, beautox said:

so our pen isn't complete dog crap nice

CL - Colome
SU - Herrera
SU - Fry*
MR - Jones
MR - Bummer*
LO - Frare*
LR - Covey

with Burr and Hamilton riding between AAA and the show

Three names on that list who I don't think will succeed or remain healthy. Would like to see the Sox bring in one more solid guy if they can.

3 minutes ago, SoxAce said:

Atta boy Joe. Now some of those other "posters" can shut up talking shit.

I don't think anyone was really discrediting him. More the way he went about it. Like the whole "I know something but I gotta text someone else to make sure before I can post anything." Text the person first before jumping posting saying that you know something and you want to share it.

With that said, hopefully he can share more with us this week.

7 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said:

I won't think it's the middle until we get more farm production on the MLB field. 

But you can't just wait around to the point. You have a good chunk up with jimenez and cease up this year. Kopech hopefully back next year and adding more this year still. Past the point of the beginning 

23 minutes ago, Joshua Strong said:

Awesome, I wanted them to improve the bullpen going into this season. Colome and now Herrera with guys like Jones, Fry, Hamilton and Vieira, the bullpen might be the team’s biggest strength. 

I expect that this takes them out of the Ottavino race but I still would like for them to sign another guy with high leverage experience like Brad Boxberger.

 

Vieria is quite a bit further down the pecking order.  

I like the signing.  Bullpen should be a lot deeper, and we still have a ton of interesting/exciting arms in the minors.  

Herrera stays in KC and continues on like he always had last summer, and he's probably looking at 4-5 year deal at around $12M+ AAV.  This could be a sneaky good signing if he stays healthy. 

Just now, soxfan2014 said:

I don't think anyone was really discrediting him. More the way he went about it. Like the whole "I know something but I gotta text someone else to make sure before I can post anything." Text the person first before jumping posting saying that you know something and you want to share it.

Oh no doubt you are correct how he came across. But I saw Peavy for example discredit him right away.

5 minutes ago, The Sir said:

For Herrera, documented drop in velocity over the last few seasons, and it shows in performance. 2017 was putrid for him, and K rates have fallen with his velocity. After going to Washington last year, he gave up 24 hits in 18 IP. He's not the once dominant fireballer who helped make the Royals so great.

Colome is just...unremarkable. A right handed reliever with a career WHIP of 1.21, and it's gone under 1.15 just once. Yet, thus far, he is our prize acquisition.

He also had injuries in Washington 

Now sign Ottavino.  If they do manage to get Machado and or Harper, they will need a strong bullpen to compete.  If they strike out on the "whales" they'll have some nice flippable pieces to continue the rebuild.

Bruce seems so salty towards the Sox these days

 

10 minutes ago, SoxAce said:

Oh no doubt you are correct how he came across. But I saw Peavy for example discredit him right away.

Oh yeah that's true. But that barely counts lol

4 minutes ago, fathom said:

Bruce seems so salty towards the Sox these days

 

The Herrera signing I do not mind because it does not tie up money long term. Depending on if the 3rd year option is a club/vesting/player, we are not committed beyond next season to him. Could be a flip candidate, but also could be a guy we hang onto if he performs well.