December 9, 20196 yr 3 minutes ago, southsideirish71 said: Ok I will bite. Then why isn't Cole right now being offered a massive contract from the Sox. Why isn't Strasburg seeing the same thing. Why did we offer 50 million dollars less to Machado. I am sure Bill Wirtz wanted to win as well. You have the combination of Reinsdorf whining about his age and wanting to advance to the "winning stage" of things, along with Hahn stating over and over again that they want to remove the narrative that the team won't compete for "premium talent" on the open market, and then crickets on the Cole/Strasburg front.
December 9, 20196 yr 2 minutes ago, Thad Bosley said: You have the combination of Reinsdorf whining about his age and wanting to advance to the "winning stage" of things, along with Hahn stating over and over again that they want to remove the narrative that the team won't compete for "premium talent" on the open market, and then crickets on the Cole/Strasburg front. Did you want the Sox to sign Stras for 7 years 260+ million? I certainly didn't want them to do that.
December 9, 20196 yr 1 minute ago, Thad Bosley said: You have the combination of Reinsdorf whining about his age and wanting to advance to the "winning stage" of things, along with Hahn stating over and over again that they want to remove the narrative that the team won't compete for "premium talent" on the open market, and then crickets on the Cole/Strasburg front. As a business it is a smart move not to offer a pitcher 300 million. we are not the big franchises to throw money like that.
December 9, 20196 yr Just now, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Did you want the Sox to sign Stras for 7 years 260+ million? I certainly didn't want them to do that. hell no
December 9, 20196 yr I'm asking the following question as a serious question, not being a jerk................. Can someone explain to me how a pitcher is worth $245 million and another one $300 when they will most likely play in about 35-40 games. How is handcuffing your franchise financially worth this type of commitment. I can see it, somewhat, for a position player. Again, I'm just confused on how this is a good investment.
December 9, 20196 yr 16 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: No, I think people think the Sox are in on players because they've been incredibly aggressive. I'm not sure how Sox fans can continue to say the Sox are all bluster and no action this off-season. They signed Grandal before any other major signing was made at a very fair valuation. Then they turned around and offered 125 million to Wheeler which was 7 more than anyone else in the league. Baseball thinks the Sox are going to be aggressive, because they have been aggressive and they have told everyone who will listen that they're ready to compete and contend and they're going to spend the money to prove it. I don't know how people can look at this off-season so far, and say "same old White Sox." You called the Phillies bluster after they sigNed Robertson, McCutchen, and Harper and traded for Realmuto and Segura.
December 9, 20196 yr 1 minute ago, Dick Allen said: You called the Phillies bluster after they sigNed Robertson, McCutchen, and Harper and traded for Realmuto and Segura. Cool. Sorry my opinion on the Phillies has had such an impact on your life. Edited December 9, 20196 yr by Look at Ray Ray Run
December 9, 20196 yr I heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Frank Castillo pass out at 31 flavors last night.
December 9, 20196 yr 2 minutes ago, 2Deep said: I'm asking the following question as a serious question, not being a jerk................. Can someone explain to me how a pitcher is worth $245 million and another one $300 when they will most likely play in about 35-40 games. How is handcuffing your franchise financially worth this type of commitment. I can see it, somewhat, for a position player. Again, I'm just confused on how this is a good investment. its not a good investment. not for the white sox
December 9, 20196 yr I would like it if we could apply google analytics to the site to see the uses of the word "bluster" over the past month in comparison to the rest of the site's history. You would think we signed a Bluster to be our #2 starter.
December 9, 20196 yr 2 minutes ago, 2Deep said: I'm asking the following question as a serious question, not being a jerk................. Can someone explain to me how a pitcher is worth $245 million and another one $300 when they will most likely play in about 35-40 games. How is handcuffing your franchise financially worth this type of commitment. I can see it, somewhat, for a position player. Again, I'm just confused on how this is a good investment. He's worth that amount because maybe a handful of people on earth can do what he does, and he's fortunate to do it in a business where people pay a bunch of money to watch them do it. The Nationals franchise will be fine, don't worry.
December 9, 20196 yr 2 minutes ago, raBBit said: I would like it if we could apply google analytics to the site to see the uses of the word "bluster" over the past month in comparison to the rest of the site's history. You would think we signed a Bluster to be our #2 starter. "Hard Pass" would be our #1 starter.
December 9, 20196 yr 7 minutes ago, centerfieldsixers said: As a business it is a smart move not to offer a pitcher 300 million. we are not the big franchises to throw money like that. If they were willing to pay a ~24M AAV for Wheeler then there's no reason they couldn't have gone into the ~35 range for Strasburg and even higher for Cole.
December 9, 20196 yr 5 minutes ago, raBBit said: I heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Frank Castillo pass out at 31 flavors last night. I'm not sure why you're being critical of another reporter posting information that might not have been accurate.
December 9, 20196 yr 39 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Lol, of course its not my money. But the Sox are always going to be a team on a budget. Paying average players a shit ton of money, and trading away cheap controllable talent are the two best ways to ensure we end up right where we were before we traded Sale, Eaton and Quintana. So yes, I care deeply about how the Sox allocate their funds, and you should too. The fact that you even have to explain this just shows how ignorant a lot of our fan base can be.
December 9, 20196 yr 4 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Did you want the Sox to sign Stras for 7 years 260+ million? I certainly didn't want them to do that. Um, yes, I would have had zero problem with the White Sox, FOR ONCE, pay what it takes to bring in a much-needed premium arm into this organization to significantly advance the team's ability to compete for a championship. Premium free agent pitchers ALWAYS sign for this type of money. Always! There are no bargains to be had for the types of Cole and Strasburg. So to always avoid these types of talents because of the sticker shock value of the contract, then the team will always be at a competitive disadvantage. And btw, how has the strategy of never paying for these types of talents worked out for the Sox in recent decades? Can you point me to the multiple championships the team has had employing this strategy? While these contractual numbers seem very large to the average mortal, they aren't in the grand scheme of things when considering how awash in cash MLB is, and that includes the Sox. Reinsdorf could ink one of these contracts in a heartbeat, and the fiscal health of the organization wouldn't take a major hit.
December 9, 20196 yr 4 minutes ago, 2Deep said: I'm asking the following question as a serious question, not being a jerk................. Can someone explain to me how a pitcher is worth $245 million and another one $300 when they will most likely play in about 35-40 games. How is handcuffing your franchise financially worth this type of commitment. I can see it, somewhat, for a position player. Again, I'm just confused on how this is a good investment. Pitchers affect games more than positive players.A guy that does what these guys have done 30 times a year for6 or 7 innings, will get you more wins than even most excellent every day players. Cole’s starts we’re basically automatic wins. Not only that they take pressure off the rest of your rotation knocking them down a rung, and give your bullpen a break. The teams winning the WS lately, have great starters.
December 9, 20196 yr Just now, Thad Bosley said: Um, yes, I would have had zero problem with the White Sox, FOR ONCE, pay what it takes to bring in a much-needed premium arm into this organization to significantly advance the team's ability to compete for a championship. Premium free agent pitchers ALWAYS sign for this type of money. Always! There are no bargains to be had for the types of Cole and Strasburg. So to always avoid these types of talents because of the sticker shock value of the contract, then the team will always be at a competitive disadvantage. And btw, how has the strategy of never paying for these types of talents worked out for the Sox in recent decades? Can you point me to the multiple championships the team has had employing this strategy? While these contractual numbers seem very large to the average mortal, they aren't in the grand scheme of things when considering how awash in cash MLB is, and that includes the Sox. Reinsdorf could ink one of these contracts in a heartbeat, and the fiscal health of the organization wouldn't take a major hit. 7 years 245 million is a lot of money no matter how you look at it. If you think the Sox payroll is going to be 160ish million, that's 21% of their payroll allocated to an arm with a lot of red flags. If you're going to play at the top of the market, you should be paying Cole whatever he wants; not Stras. That's just my opinion.
December 9, 20196 yr 5 minutes ago, DirtySox said: "Hard Pass" would be our #1 starter. And last year, "Whale" was batting cleanup for us.
December 9, 20196 yr 1 minute ago, Dick Allen said: Pitchers affect games more than positive players.A guy that does what these guys have done 30 times a year for6 or 7 innings, will get you more wins than even most excellent every day players. Cole’s starts we’re basically automatic wins. Not only that they take pressure off the rest of your rotation knocking them down a rung, and give your bullpen a break. The teams winning the WS lately, have great starters. There are nearly twice as many position players with WAR's > 5 the last decade as pitchers. A position player has held the WAR crown like 20 years in a row. Position players are more valuable than pitchers. Elite pitchers are certainly more rare - at least consistent ones.
December 9, 20196 yr 9 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: I'm not sure why you're being critical of another reporter posting information that might not have been accurate. Did you quote the wrong post? I wasn't being critical.
December 9, 20196 yr Just now, Look at Ray Ray Run said: There are nearly twice as many position players with WAR's > 5 the last decade as pitchers. A position player has held the WAR crown like 20 years in a row. Position players are more valuable than pitchers. Elite pitchers are certainly more rare - at least consistent ones. So what happens in the playoffs? Explain your position players are more valuable than pitchers formula when it comes to the post season.
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