1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said:

So is having Dallas Keuchel being your big pitching addition.

Think Miley or Porcello or Hamels as the big pitching addition if we don't like the money or the years.   

Seems to me that the White Sox overplayed their hand and let another team get involved (Phillies). Everyone is going to say it’s an agent ploy so on and so forth but we saw what happened last year.

Just now, maloney.adam said:

Here we go again! The sky is falling when it’s only the start of the offseason. 

I’ve seen this stare down once before and we bowed out, until proven otherwise I will stay skeptical at best  

Should of seen this coming after the arrogance permeating from the organization about this. They always look like doped when they start getting excited.

16 minutes ago, oneofthemikes said:

It'll be a sad state of affairs if we miss on the 3rd or 4th best pitching option in a free-agent class. We may not like the numbers that are being thrown around but that's the going rate for solid pitching.

If we commit to these arbitrary contract length restrictions and are resigned to shopping in the bargain bin to fill out the roster, we're going to end up wasting a great young core.

I mean, if Ryu is going for 3/50 or 3/60, wheeler really doesn't warrant twice as much money. 

Great teams and organizations stick to their valuations.

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Just now, HahnsKiddieTable said:

I’ve seen this stare down once before and we bowed out, until proven otherwise I will stay skeptical at best  

Didn’t we sign Grandal? Or was that an after thought? There’s soo much time left in the offseason to start jumping off the ledge. 

1 minute ago, Orlando said:

Seems to me that the White Sox overplayed their hand and let another team get involved (Phillies). Everyone is going to say it’s an agent ploy so on and so forth but we saw what happened last year.

I don’t think Sox did anything wrong. Of course Wheeler’s agent was going to be patient. Who knows, Phillies could have been in the lead the whole time. This isn’t a Manny situation where it was only a few teams involved.

2 minutes ago, Orlando said:

Seems to me that the White Sox overplayed their hand and let another team get involved (Phillies). Everyone is going to say it’s an agent ploy so on and so forth but we saw what happened last year.

How did they overplay their hand and how did they "let another team get involved?" 

Do you think they could force someone to sign?

Just now, maloney.adam said:

Didn’t we sign Grandal? Or was that an after thought? There’s soo much time left in the offseason to start jumping off the ledge. 

PTSD from last offseason is strong this morning

Just now, maloney.adam said:

Didn’t we sign Grandal? Or was that an after thought? There’s soo much time left in the offseason to start jumping off the ledge. 

No one said anything about jumping off the ledge, the grandal signing came out of left field. If they miss on wheeler I will see what they do but won’t put much hope into it based on past success rates 

8 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

They wouldn’t go six years for Corbin, you think they’ve gone six for Wheeler based on what?

Based on the failure of last year and the money invested in their roster.

Reds still worry me more than anyone. Both those teams could go 6/130 which would simply be a bad contract.

There is no doubt in my mind that the Sox were given a number that would quickly end negotiations. I think the same happened with Grandal and they met it. 

Just now, Orlando said:

There is no doubt in my mind that the Sox were given a number that would quickly end negotiations. I think the same happened with Grandal and they met it. 

Wouldn’t the same be true for the other teams involved with Wheeler?  With all due respect, I think you’re letting some of the eyeball emojis and “smoke” from last week make you think a deal was closer with the Sox than it really was.  If anything, Sox probably tried to close the deal by Wheeler wanted to wait.

I am in panic mode because i know the whitesox wont even be in the conversation for one of the top starters after Wheeler. No Cole. No Strasburg. So we will settle for trash like Hamels or Keuchel. It makes me sick

Just now, Dlsoxfan said:

I am in panic mode because i know the whitesox wont even be in the conversation for one of the top starters after Wheeler. No Cole. No Strasburg. So we will settle for trash like Hamels or Keuchel. It makes me sick

I think it will be Roark and Wood if they miss out 

3 minutes ago, Orlando said:

There is no doubt in my mind that the Sox were given a number that would quickly end negotiations. I think the same happened with Grandal and they met it. 

Must be nice to be part of the negotiations. Any other updates? 

4 minutes ago, maloney.adam said:

Didn’t we sign Grandal? Or was that an after thought? There’s soo much time left in the offseason to start jumping off the ledge. 

The amount of time left in the offseason is inconsequential here. The point is that the Sox aren't going to make a run at Cole or Strasburg and Wheeler is the most desirable option outside of those two. Once he is gone, it's not like the amount of time left in the offseason is going to make better pitchers appear in free agency.

If we miss on Wheeler, we're going to end up with more half-measures that don't put this roster over the top. 

How soon do we hear about how JR stepped up and made an unprecedented offer again that fell short? 

I do fear Wheeler is a one or two year guy though. So this failure may be a blessing. 

1 minute ago, fathom said:

Wouldn’t the same be true for the other teams involved with Wheeler?  With all due respect, I think you’re letting some of the eyeball emojis and “smoke” from last week make you think a deal was closer with the Sox than it really was.  If anything, Sox probably tried to close the deal by Wheeler wanted to wait.

I get that but the eyeballs didn’t make it seem like it was close to me. The national coverage yesterday and Bob, Buster and Marino alluding to the Sox being the favorite only for it to change later the same night is what is making me feel this way.

For people who want a reason to remain optimistic... dont forget that absurdly dumb story by Boob yesterday where he, for no reason that makes sense, said the sox are willing to up there offer if needed.

Just now, fathom said:

I think it will be Roark and Wood if they miss out 

That sure will put fear in the Twins as they fight at the bat rack to see who can hit the ball farther.  

34 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

This is pure nonsense.

How many teams this decade have won the world series without a pitching contract that is too long or too much money (or several)?

I can give you the Royals. 

1 minute ago, Kiebs13 said:

Must be nice to be part of the negotiations. Any other updates? 

Yes, we are trading you to the Marlins board for cash considerations

5 minutes ago, Orlando said:

There is no doubt in my mind that the Sox were given a number that would quickly end negotiations. I think the same happened with Grandal and they met it. 

That's not really how agents work. There isnt a buy it now button in free agency. 

Grandal sat out there for months and didnt get what he wanted. Him jumping at his offer isnt surprising.