1 minute ago, DirtySox said:

This must be because all the money is tied up in a Cole deal. Right? Right?

That would be wonderful, but it's a pipedream. 

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Gonzalez and Walker are pretty much the same guy as far as I am concerned.

In fact, has anyone seen them in the same room at the same time?

9 minutes ago, MyNamesRod said:

I would not. Both aren’t any good so why not grab the guy that has a small chance of breaking out? Calhoun isn’t going to take the Sox to the playoffs so there’s no point. 

Because one only costs money

10 minutes ago, Sleepy Harold said:

 

Who is this guy?

If they trade Walker for Mazara, that is a massive overpay

4 minutes ago, SoxBlanco said:

How about Basabe and Flores for Mazara?

How about not trading for .6333 season avg. WAR player at all

Just now, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

I mean... you're holding being in the big leagues by the same age as Walker was as a sophomore in college against him. 

Walker would have been significantly worse in the MLB even last year than mazara was as a 20 year old.

It doesn’t matter much now.  Mazara has proven himself to be mediocre over 4 seasons in the majors and now has less years of control and will be more expensive than Walker.  We would be doing the Rangers a favor giving them anyone of value for Mazara.

Just now, GreenSox said:

How about not trading for .6333 season avg. WAR player at all

Sounds great to me.  I was merely predicting a return...not hoping for one.

Tell Mazara to go do whatever the hell Soler did last offseason so he can explode (with us) too.

Mazara not much of a upgrade in RF

How’s that Marcell Ozuna deal coming along??

I mean if we get Mazara for one season as our stop gap and sign the prize in Mookie next offseason I'm all for it

I don't think highly of Walker as a prospect and I would still hate this trade. Hard pass on lefty Avi.

Just now, flavum said:

How’s that Marcell Ozuna deal coming along??

Well instead of giving up our 2nd round pick in 2020, we are giving up our 2nd round pick from 2018.

1 minute ago, Moan4Yoan said:

But with less years of control and 4 years of offensive and defensive mediocrity.

He has had his moments offensively.  Obviously Texas is a hitter’s paradise, and 24 year olds who  were top 10 prospects usually don’t get moved unless something has really gone haywire. This guy could be what he is or maybe he breaks out. Depends on the price. Walker,Rutherford, someone like that the main piece with Fulmer of Flores If I were the GM, I would say done.

 

maybe there is still hope?

I wouldn't give the Rangers a Steel Reserve for him, let alone Walker. 

2 minutes ago, Soxfest said:

Mazara not much of a upgrade in RF

I mean, a 0.75 fWAR RF is a huge upgrade over last season.  But I hear ya.  Weird for the Sox to seemingly settle for a guy that sucks defensively and is only controlled for 2 years at this point in the offseason.  Mazara is a guy you grab in February when all other options didn't work out. 

But if the return is Fulmer + Gonzalez, its whatever for me.  Would be great to see them bring in a nice platoon option for him I guess, but that is probably Leury/Engel. 

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2 minutes ago, ChiSox1917 said:

Who is this guy?

If they trade Walker for Mazara, that is a massive overpay

Rangers beat guy for MLB. Also Miami backed out of trading for Mazara because the price was too high on him so they actually want higher end prospects back.

1 minute ago, Moan4Yoan said:

It doesn’t matter much now.  Mazara has proven himself to be mediocre over 4 seasons in the majors and now has less years of control and will be more expensive than Walker.  We would be doing the Rangers a favor giving them anyone of value for Mazara.

Walker wasn't even worthy of the big leagues at the same age. 

I get the control argument, but control only matters if the guy is actually gonna make it.

Maybe they'd be doing them a favor and maybe mazara improves as a 25 year old. That wouldnt be a crazy thing. 

Mazara full season WAR: .5
Adam Engel 1/2 season WAR:   .8

What is our payroll? Like 80 million? So our payroll would be around 100 million again? Lol

Even if they got Dallas and a RP we'd be like 10 million more than what we played with last year.

Ugh. Remember when everyone was mad about those Ozuna rumors? 

Is it possible this is a perfect time to buy low on Mazara? He was a top prospect at one time, yes higher regarded than Steele (who I do really like). Dunno, but buying low sometimes is a good deal. If you think the guy just sucks that's fine, but I am not convinced he does. Obviously, I wouldn't want to trade Steele and Stiever, that's a massive overpay, but one may be fair and then a lottery ticket type.

Just now, GreenSox said:

Mazara full season WAR: .5
Adam Engel 1/2 season WAR:   .8

?

Just now, GreenSox said:

Mazara full season WAR: .5
Adam Engel 1/2 season WAR:   .8

And that’s why WAR isn’t everything.