Just now, fathom said:

Wow, this is as bad as I’ve seen. No way is he healthy.  64 pitches, no whiffs.

Absolutely no chance they bring him up if he wasn't healthy

thought it was dumb that he was pitching after 2 strait walks and already getting launched.

 

Not smart by ricky bobby

Just now, fathom said:

If that stuff doesn’t improve, he’s never going to be ready. 

I agree.  His velocity is nothing close to what was advertised. 

You can’t let him start his next turn in the rotation.

I'm glad the Stiever family wasn't on camera for that.

This game is the best chance of victory for us against the Reds. Next two pitchers will be tough.

2 minutes ago, fathom said:

Wow, this is as bad as I’ve seen. No way is he healthy.  64 pitches, no whiffs.

Has he always thrown low 90s? Or does he usually throw harder?

Just now, harkness99 said:

thought it was dumb that he was pitching after 2 strait walks and already getting launched.

 

Not smart by ricky bobby

Yeah, especially since Winker is lefty. He clearly didn't have it after the Votto homer. 

Just now, SonofaRoache said:

This game is the best chance of victory for us against the Reds. Next two pitchers will be tough.

Who’s Sunday

I don't know what Ricky was looking at the previous few at bats.  But clearly the kid doesn't have it and shouldn't be pitching to any more batters.  Though truthfully he never should have been in this position to begin with and that's another failure of Hahn.

 

you could see that coming a mile away.  not even competitive stuff at the MLB level right now.

Just now, fathom said:

Who’s Sunday

Lorenzen. 

Just now, fathom said:

You can’t let him start his next turn in the rotation.

It's very possible that his next MLB appearance is 2022. No fault of his own. He's just not ready. 

4 minutes ago, ptatc said:

Absolutely no chance they bring him up if he wasn't healthy

He’s throwing a good 3-4 mph slower than last year.  There was no crispness on his pitches.  Actually reminds me of when Kopech was throwing slower despite saying he was ok.

Edited September 19, 20205 yr by fathom

Why not just start Gonzales in this game?

2 minutes ago, fathom said:

Who’s Sunday

ESPN showing Bauer

Just now, Tomtom said:

Why not just start Gonzales in this game?

It's Gonzalez. And are you having some TT?

Just now, Tomtom said:

Why not just start Gonzales in this game?

Cause he can't go more than 2-3 innings. He's not stretched out to be a starter right now. 

4 minutes ago, soulfly said:

I don't know what Ricky was looking at the previous few at bats.  But clearly the kid doesn't have it and shouldn't be pitching to any more batters.  Though truthfully he never should have been in this position to begin with and that's another failure of Hahn.

 

But you also can't really pull him in the second or third here and make it a bullpen game.  In a clincher you do that but not in this situation. Here you just have to hope he gets through and otherwise you just lose the game. 

Edited September 19, 20205 yr by Dominikk85

I blame this game on DJ for being in the booth. 

3 minutes ago, fathom said:

You can’t let him start his next turn in the rotation.

Cleveland’s offense sucks but I don’t see how you can start him in a consequential division game now. 

Just pull Moncada and Abreu please.  This one is over no reason not to rest guys.  Hell you already conceded starting Steiver.

Poor kid. Tough game for him. If they don’t gain ground in a couple innings I’d rest the regulars. At least we may see crochet pitch. 

3 minutes ago, fathom said:

He’s throwing a good 3-4 mph slower than last year 

Maybe it's nerves or trying to aim the ball but they wouldn't bring him up if he wasn't healthy.

Just now, ptatc said:

Maybe it's nerves or trying to aim the ball but they wouldn't bring him up if he wasn't healthy.

it's not like it's just the velocity his breaking pitch is flat, lifeless and his changeup, well, yea.