6 hours ago, Soxbadger said:

Im not sure how far they are going to take this, but if there is any truth to different departments purposefully not providing enough support to secure the Capital, I think its possible they try and charge some of the higher ups. Based on the statements by the Governor of Maryland, it appears there was a purposeful effort to not provide adequate support.

And that is the truly terrible part, he died a hero protecting the capital while others tacitly supported a dictator. 

I think it’s 100% true that the White House blocked any use of the national guard until Pence said “enough I almost died”.

 While one of their colleagues was dying they were trying to give directions to the murderers. 

8 hours ago, Jerksticks said:

If the whole system was nuked and it was up to you to decide the way to educate our humans moving forward...how would you do it?  

Maybe that would be a fun side thread- not trying to derail the patriots thread here.  

I ended a thirty year business career and retired to educated. I've been teaching 12 years now from 8th grade in a poor school where most kids had a parent or less with little or no education and now I'm teaching seniors who generally have two college educated parents at home. 

A couple things I would do.  First realize that as a society we're starting at an incredibly inequitable point. 

Poor kids with uneducated parents don't have books at home, they don't have parents that have the time and energy to teach them much. My current students have been surrounded by educational opportunities since birth. How do we fix that? Pre school programs. It's not much, but I've got nothing else. 

Lower home values mean less funding for schools. So poor schools have higher student to teacher ratios and less experienced teachers. I'm at a destination school in a destination district. I'm surrounded by quality educators who make me better each day. So the kids who are already ahead of the game have an advantage 24/7. We need a system that encourages our best educators to rotate into schools that need the best. They also need a guaranteed rotation back to the top schools they rotated from.  

When Texas implemented a new rating system for schools it did exactly what most teachers and administrators knew would happen. It identified the most affluent areas of the state with the highest educated parents. Based on these ratings the general public somehow believes I'm suddenly a better teacher because my students are performing better. My students have all the advantages from food security to parenting. 

This is already too long. I'll stop here. 

1 hour ago, bmags said:

There really does need to be a sweep to see any people in public positions and swift removal, especially law enforcement/elected officials/military.

Twitter is on it

 

 

3 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

Twitter is on it

 

 

This guy is trending from Schaumburg 

 

7 hours ago, Jack Parkman said:

Pyramid schemes should be illegal. 

They are. 

But almost what corporation uses MLM. You buy a new car. The salesman earns a commission. The sales manager earns a commission. The general manager gets his cut. The Ford factory rep gets paid,  the regional managers get paid, it goes all the way back to the President of Ford. All those multiple levels get paid. 

Buy something at Walmart and all those levels get paid. 

Pyramid schemes are different because they have no product or service and are illegal. 

Where MLM receives a bad name,  and I believe justifiably so,  is they "hire" anyone.  There are people that have no business in sales and they fail. That's not the fault of MLM, that's poor hiring. They would have failed at opening any new business. 

Kids in cages and all the other shit Trump has pulled the last 4 years, but this is the thing that puts it over the top for Betsy DeVos? Please. These people just want the next couple weeks off. All that are resigning now are doing it for their brand. Just more phonies. Just like the Trump boys will not forget who wasn't willing to toss the Constitution for their orange father, we should never forget what these people either supported or were more than willing to look the other way the past 4 years. And not give them credit for taking 2 weeks off at the end trying to make everyone forget.

5 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

This guy is trending from Schaumburg 

 

Certainly not excusing his actions or thought process but he completely owned it and didn't stick his foot in his mouth or issue a non-apologetic apology.  So there is that 

that being said, I wouldn't keep him on as my CEO if I were cogensia 

So off duty Capital Police who were involved with the mob were flashing their badges to get into the Capital easier. 

26 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

Twitter is on it

 

 

I'm more immediately interested in public positions.

17 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

Kids in cages and all the other shit Trump has pulled the last 4 years, but this is the thing that puts it over the top for Betsy DeVos? Please. These people just want the next couple weeks off. All that are resigning now are doing it for their brand. Just more phonies. Just like the Trump boys will not forget who wasn't willing to toss the Constitution for their orange father, we should never forget what these people either supported or were more than willing to look the other way the past 4 years. And not give them credit for taking 2 weeks off at the end trying to make everyone forget.

 

18 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

Certainly not excusing his actions or thought process but he completely owned it and didn't stick his foot in his mouth or issue a non-apologetic apology.  So there is that 

that being said, I wouldn't keep him on as my CEO if I were cogensia 

I mean, if things go correctly he should at least lose his job while he’s in jail right? 

I will never understand how Trump has developed this cult like following.  A rich, entitled, privileged, arrogant, & stupid New Yorker who cares about no one but himself and his ego is somehow basically a god to people who couldn’t be any different.  How this con artist could easily trick so many people into thinking he was this outsider who would “drain the swamp” when in reality he had the self-interest traits you see in many politicians is beyond remarkable.  Not sure how you solve that either, because he’s earned the love & admiration of a sizable part of this country despite endless evidence that he is a self/centered douche.

1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I will never understand how Trump has developed this cult like following.  A rich, entitled, privileged, arrogant, & stupid New Yorker who cares about no one but himself and his ego is somehow basically a god to people who couldn’t be any different.  How this con artist could easily trick so many people into thinking he was this outsider who would “drain the swamp” when in reality he had the self-interest traits you see in many politicians is beyond remarkable.  Not sure how you solve that either, because he’s earned the love & admiration of a sizable part of this country despite endless evidence that he is a self/centered douche.

There were an awful lot of people who were tired of having to couch their hatred for minorities, libs, women in code words and wanted to express it openly.

2 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I will never understand how Trump has developed this cult like following.  A rich, entitled, privileged, arrogant, & stupid New Yorker who cares about no one but himself and his ego is somehow basically a god to people who couldn’t be any different.  How this con artist could easily trick so many people into thinking he was this outsider who would “drain the swamp” when in reality he had the self-interest traits you see in many politicians is beyond remarkable.  Not sure how you solve that either, because he’s earned the love & admiration of a sizable part of this country despite endless evidence that he is a self/centered douche.

I think I get it. It's not about corruption or the swamp. It's about an increasingly unrelatable group of people in power at every level of culture and politics that they felt was condescending and bad. And could easily be convinced that that group was capable of anything evil they said just because they hate them so much.

Republicans for gave them a bit of that while also thinking they liked republicans for the policies. 

Trump gave them all of the hate and realized they didn't care about the policy. It's an all ice cream diet. And that trump was so despited by all of that group just re-enforced that he was one of them even with everything else. And he never stopped fighting the culture wars. And he was never not hated. A lot of other people like Hawley are useful only as far as they supported trump, but they'll be discarded and someone else will be found that scratches that need of just being loathsome toward their number one target: owning libz.

Probably don jr. 

7 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

There were an awful lot of people who were tired of having to couch their hatred for minorities, libs, women in code words and wanted to express it openly.

That and the ability to make the truth be whatever you want it to be,  has to be it. It's not like suddenly, because of Trump, they are filthy rich and able to do what they want. 

Maybe the best friend I have ever had, I have been hanging out with him since I was 8 years old, is caught up in this. Not to the extreme of breaking into the Capital, but he is a stop the steal guy....He isn't racist, owns his own business and does well. Has a nice family, is an honest and decent human being. He has always been a republican, but ever since Trump was elected, it's almost as though he has lost his mind. I don't see him nearly as much as I used to, and I do miss that, but until he gets deprogrammed out of this cult, it is just too hard to be around him.

Edited January 8, 20215 yr by Dick Allen

18 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

I mean, if things go correctly he should at least lose his job while he’s in jail right? 

We can hope.  His profile has been removed from the site, I'm sure his job is hanging by a thread if at all

7 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I will never understand how Trump has developed this cult like following.  A rich, entitled, privileged, arrogant, & stupid New Yorker who cares about no one but himself and his ego is somehow basically a god to people who couldn’t be any different.  How this con artist could easily trick so many people into thinking he was this outsider who would “drain the swamp” when in reality he had the self-interest traits you see in many politicians is beyond remarkable.  Not sure how you solve that either, because he’s earned the love & admiration of a sizable part of this country despite endless evidence that he is a self/centered douche.

I agree. That he was able to portray himself as the advocate of the working class and fighter against financial elite is pretty outrageous when you consider his life story.

The democrats have certainly missed to adress the working class in the last 30 years (basically any dem president or candidate since carter was a neolib) but trump certainly isn't the solution for the working class at all.

I can understand if a white supremacist has voted for trump but some others I can't really understand

 

- christian people: trump actually does not know a single bible verse and probably wasn't in church for 20 years before his presidency. He was was divorced several times, had affairs with porn stars and is constantly swearing.

On the other hand biden goes to church every week and actually knows the bible

-white working class: sure he promised bringing jobs in back from china but that won't happen and overall he certainly was more corporate friendly than worker friendly.

Trump even gained with black and latin voters despite being openly racist.

I don't get the fascination, maybe people think his incompetence is kind of a cool novelty?:)

I realize Dems have done bad stuff too, Obama deported tons of people and didn't close quantanomo either but really under trump it got 10 times worse.

 

 

 

17 minutes ago, Dominikk85 said:

- christian people: trump actually does not know a single bible verse and probably wasn't in church for 20 years before his presidency. He was was divorced several times, had affairs with porn stars and is constantly swearing.

On the other hand biden goes to church every week and actually knows the bible

Trump truly only cares about himself and will adopt any position that will get him power, however, specifically relating to Christians:

The "suburban megachurch" wing of Christianity has ingrained into their members that maximum effort in overturning Roe v Wade is the one and only litmus test for true Christianity. If you are willing to appoint three justices who will overturn Roe v Wade, the divorces, infidelity, swearing, policies that make life more difficult for the poor, are all acceptable tradeoffs.

30 minutes ago, Dominikk85 said:

I agree. That he was able to portray himself as the advocate of the working class and fighter against financial elite is pretty outrageous when you consider his life story.

The democrats have certainly missed to adress the working class in the last 30 years (basically any dem president or candidate since carter was a neolib) but trump certainly isn't the solution for the working class at all.

I can understand if a white supremacist has voted for trump but some others I can't really understand

 

- christian people: trump actually does not know a single bible verse and probably wasn't in church for 20 years before his presidency. He was was divorced several times, had affairs with porn stars and is constantly swearing.

On the other hand biden goes to church every week and actually knows the bible

-white working class: sure he promised bringing jobs in back from china but that won't happen and overall he certainly was more corporate friendly than worker friendly.

Trump even gained with black and latin voters despite being openly racist.

I don't get the fascination, maybe people think his incompetence is kind of a cool novelty?:)

I realize Dems have done bad stuff too, Obama deported tons of people and didn't close quantanomo either but really under trump it got 10 times worse.

 

 

 

One thing to keep in mind is that a major component of Trump's base isn't "working class." It's small business owners and white collar professionals in the suburbs. Not all of them may have college degrees, but they're the petite bourgeoisie. Look at the lawyers, business owners/execs, etc. that have already been identified as being in the Capitol on Wednesday. Look who's supported him financially this whole time. Look at this:

 

 

This isn't a white working class revolt, this isn't about "the forgotten man." It's bog standard reactionary politics reacting against what they see as a loss of privileges and benefits they're entitled to and others aren't.

Congress will sleep this one off. Maybe Ground Hog Day? 

11 minutes ago, pcq said:

Congress will sleep this one off. Maybe Ground Hog Day? 

Um....

Five House Committees Seek Urgent Briefing on FBI’s Plans to Bring to Justice Those Involved in Incitement and Assault on U.S. Capitol

The committees:

• Oversight
• Judiciary
• Homeland Security
• Intelligence
• Armed Services

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Today, five Committees of the U.S. House of Representatives sent a letter to Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) Director Christopher Wray seeking an immediate briefing on the FBI’s efforts to investigate the deadly attack on the U.S. Capitol.

“We write to request an immediate and urgent briefing on the steps the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) is taking to investigate and pursue for prosecution the instigation, planning, and execution of the deadly terrorist attack on the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021, by President Donald Trump, his supporters, and outside groups, as well as to disrupt any further activity designed to attack our government,” the Chairs wrote.

 

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The letter detailed how President Trump incited the attack by repeatedly claiming the election was stolen from him, despite multiple failed lawsuits and no evidence to support his claims:

• On December 19, President Trump tweeted:  “Statistically impossible to have lost the 2020 Election.  Big protest in D.C. on January 6th.  Be, there, will be wild!”  
• At a rally yesterday, President Trump told his supporters:  “We’re going [to] walk down to the Capitol...you’ll never take back our country with weakness.  You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.”  
• Rudy Giuliani, the President’s personal attorney, urged the President’s followers to march to the Capitol and engage in a “trial by combat.” 

 

6 minutes ago, Quin said:

Um....

Five House Committees Seek Urgent Briefing on FBI’s Plans to Bring to Justice Those Involved in Incitement and Assault on U.S. Capitol

The committees:

• Oversight
• Judiciary
• Homeland Security
• Intelligence
• Armed Services

 

 

A bunch of guys sitting on those committees probably wondering if the FBI is looking at them specifically 

Just now, Kyyle23 said:

A bunch of guys sitting on those committees probably wondering if the FBI is looking at them specifically 

You can just come out and say recent Medal of Freedom recipient and notable suer-of-cows, Devin Nunes.

Just now, Quin said:

You can just come out and say recent Medal of Freedom recipient and notable suer-of-cows, Devin Nunes.

He is definitely a notable name of the bunch