Stinky Stanky Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 8 hours ago, The Beast said: Looks like Lauren Underwood is in a tight race with Jim Oberweis to keep her seat in Congress, Sean Casten is in a fight with Jeanne Ives to do the same and the Illinois Fair Tax will fail based on the math we are seeing. Look forward to other ways of raising revenue to pay the state's bills. Tax retirement income like all the other surrounding states. Would that require a constitutional amendment? Reducing pension liabilities? That would require an amendment. Raising the general tax rate on our already regressive income tax? Why do I say regressive? Because those folks "lucky" enough to have a $15,000 real estate tax bill can deduct 5% of that on their income tax returns and you apartment dwellers can deduct zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: LARR got great odds betting Biden to win last night, most of the odds strongly favored T at the time. Now Biden clear gambling favorite. Like betting the Patriots in 3rd quarter of Super Bowl against Atl. The way you worded that is: "Trump is still the heavy favorite to win so everyone's betting Biden just in case." Is that accurate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, soxfan49 said: The way you worded that is: "Trump is still the heavy favorite to win so everyone's betting Biden just in case." Is that accurate? Last night Trump became the heavy favorite, that has shifted. Biden is now the favorite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 1 minute ago, soxfan49 said: The way you worded that is: "Trump is still the heavy favorite to win so everyone's betting Biden just in case." Is that accurate? No, people are betting Biden now because he’s the clear favorite. Last nights bets were all the Falcons up 28-3. Bets right now are game tied in overtime with Patriots driving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 (edited) Biden up 3k in Michigan. If current map holds Biden wins. Edited November 4, 2020 by Soxbadger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted November 4, 2020 Author Share Posted November 4, 2020 I'm surprised and pleased that this thread is still alive. When I started it a while back I fully expected it to be closed by election day. But SoxTalk continues to be one of the best sites to visit with a bunch of great folks having (for the most part) courteous conversations. The few times I woke up last night, I went right to this page to see if there were any updates. I certainly appreciate those who have been relaying what they've heard. I went to bed last night certain that 2016 was repeating. Now it seems like Biden has a more clear path to winning. We won't know for a couple days, I'm sure, but we may have a better idea by later today or tomorrow. Regardless, this is an historic election. If there wasn't so much on the line, it could be more enjoyable to watch. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 25 minutes ago, soxfan49 said: The way you worded that is: "Trump is still the heavy favorite to win so everyone's betting Biden just in case." Is that accurate? No. Biden is now heavily favored Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Biden now up 18k in MI, some operatives were saying they thought hed win by 100k+ an hour ago. Seemed far fetched but its trending that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 With what is in and out, essentially if Biden holds on in ME, AZ, NV, MI and WI, he wins. He doesn't even need PA and GA. Those would just be icing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Congrats to all who jumped on the + money wagon with Joe last night. We're up to -429 this morning and steaming ahead full speed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted November 4, 2020 Author Share Posted November 4, 2020 It was interesting to watch each state as the votes were counted. Some counted early voting first, like Florida, and some are counting early voting last, like MI, WI, and PA. What we're seeing is that early voting nation-wide was skewed Democratic while day of voting was skewed Republican. It looks like the early voting along the blue wall could be the tipping point for the entire election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Likely means Peters to the Senate as well from MI. Picked up CO, AZ...NC, IA, went the other direction, although still slim hopes for Cunninghan and Biden there. Not counting on either GA seat, although Loeffler would seem like the easier one to knock off. Jones lost AL, which everyone expected. Collins really looked like she was history heading into this election, straddling line between Trump and her moderate/centrist roots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Looks like PA votes coming in, I think Trumps lead shrunk about 150k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Nevada with Biden up by 7000 votes, all votes remaining to count are mail in votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 @mqr @Balta1701 @Dick Allen Thanks guys. I legitimately don't know much about politics at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, hogan873 said: It was interesting to watch each state as the votes were counted. Some counted early voting first, like Florida, and some are counting early voting last, like MI, WI, and PA. What we're seeing is that early voting nation-wide was skewed Democratic while day of voting was skewed Republican. It looks like the early voting along the blue wall could be the tipping point for the entire election. Yeah, it really looked positive for Florida and Ohio at that point. Iowa, you had a similar phenomenon. If they had another 2-3 weeks to go, Trump really had a great chance to catch Biden. That 100,000,000ish early count held up just enough against a late breaking Trump wave the last 7-10 days, especially with Hispanics in places like Miami-Dade. The GOP did surprisingly well in Senate as well as House. The candidate we talked about a lot two years ago, Abbie Finkenauer from Iowa, one of the youngest reps, lost by 3-4. Cheri Bustos had a real tight race on the NW Illinois side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Balta1701 said: Dafuq? Biden has Wisconsin firmly. One more state and he wins. And 3 states have enough votes for it to happen. I'm staying pessimistic while planning a move to New Mexico ( closest blue state) or back home to Illinois. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Biden is about 800k total votes from having the most votes of any candidate in American history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 It was wild how readily apparent it was Biden was going to start sitting pretty after trump made his speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 3 hours ago, caulfield12 said: Wow, Nevada’s not going to update until Friday morning. So suspense still in six states, although North Carolina changing seems the most remote possibility at the moment. Nevada looks close but that’s mostly Wayne county mail ins that need to be counted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenericUserName Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 40 minutes ago, Stinky Stanky said: Look forward to other ways of raising revenue to pay the state's bills. Tax retirement income like all the other surrounding states. Would that require a constitutional amendment? Reducing pension liabilities? That would require an amendment. Raising the general tax rate on our already regressive income tax? Why do I say regressive? Because those folks "lucky" enough to have a $15,000 real estate tax bill can deduct 5% of that on their income tax returns and you apartment dwellers can deduct zero. I don't believe that needs any amendments. It appears it hasn't been done because it is politically untenable. The whole thing about the fair tax allowing the government to tax retirement income was a quote taken out of context from a politician saying it would be more likely with the fair tax because it would allow the retirement income to be taxed at different rates so seniors who rely on theirs could basically be taxed at a 0% while other larger ones were taxed at a different rate. As for ways to raise more revenues? Pritzker could still try to create the fair tax with a loophole. The state could raise the income tax percentage on everyone, but then have varying deductions or waivers or something like that at the different income levels so it is effectively a progressive structure. It would probably face lawsuits, but if things are bad enough, maybe the state supreme court finds it as a tenable solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 1 minute ago, mqr said: It was wild how readily apparent it was Biden was going to start sitting pretty after trump made his speech. That's why Trump made that speech. He wants to sow doubt and destroy the process so he can try to get this into the courts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 https://news.yahoo.com/remaining-vote-pennsylvania-appears-overwhelmingly-125954708.html Odds increasingly in Biden’s favor for PA as well...just in case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: That's why Trump made that speech. He wants to sow doubt and destroy the process so he can try to get this into the courts. Yeah your regular chuds are already eating that one up, to the point where Ben Shapiro is being cannibalized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 9 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: Michigan was a 10k vote loss last election, with improved voter turnout in Detroit I think we got a decent shot -580!!! Now we just need to hope this isn't close enough for the dope in chief to fight it in the courts. Let's goooooo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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