31 minutes ago, YourWhatHurts said:

Okay so this:

Harper + Wheeler for Grandal + Keuchel + Cease + Heuer + Adolfo

Sign Realmuto

The point of signing a Bauer or trading for a Wheeler is that we have two really good SPs and then junk. What is the purpose of acquiring another good one while giving up one of the two we have?

For the record, Wheeler has 4 years and $96.5M left on his deal, so effectively a $24.1M AAV.  

Given Harper’s no trade clause and McCutcheon being unreadable, Wheeler is without question the one piece they could move to quickly free up some payroll.

2 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

For the record, Wheeler has 4 years and $96.5M left on his deal, so effectively a $24.1M AAV.  

Given Harper’s no trade clause and McCutcheon being unreadable, Wheeler is without question the one piece they could move to quickly free up some payroll.

I can’t see teams trading for Wheeler with that contract unless the asking price is very low. 

Dunning, Foster and a prospect OF for Wheeler and some $$ 

What do you guys give up for Wheeler, assuming they don't eat any money in the deal? Stiever + Micker?

1 minute ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

Dunning, Foster and a prospect OF for Wheeler and some $$ 

Sign me up

1 minute ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

Dunning, Foster and a prospect OF for Wheeler and some $$ 

The Sox should just take on Wheeler’s whole contract and not have to give up Dunning.

2 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

Dunning, Foster and a prospect OF for Wheeler and some $$ 

I wonder if the only way a deal gets done is if the Phillies eat some cash. I'd rather the Sox eat his entire salary and not have to deal Dunning. 

11 minutes ago, 35thstreetswarm said:

It is everything, really.  So is that a list of the pitchers you'd like to see on the team most to least (regardless of expected cost in terms of prospect return), or a list factoring in what is in your head as the likely acquisition cost?  

The latter. I just don’t like paying for control. Would rather just pay for talent deals.

Add Wheeler (21.5), Pederson (10), Quintana (10), Colome (8) and McGee (7) and Sox payroll goes to about $ 160M.

2 minutes ago, bear_brian said:

Add Wheeler (21.5), Pederson (10), Quintana (10), Colome (8) and McGee (7) and Sox payroll goes to about $ 160M.

If they add Wheeler, I don't think you add Q. Sox can hedge their bets on Kopech/Dunning/Cease for the 4 and 5 spots. 

2 minutes ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said:

If they add Wheeler, I don't think you add Q. Sox can hedge their bets on Kopech/Dunning/Cease for the 4 and 5 spots. 

That's the $64k question. Can they get Wheeler without trading Cease or Dunning? 

 

Great news. Puts another TOR arm in play and increases our chances of landing a high quality pitcher. 

I would include Dunning in a trade for Wheeler. Your not handicapping your future because you would still have pitching depth in the minors with Kopech, Stiever, Crochet, Kelley, Thompson and Dalquist. 

Edited December 6, 20205 yr by maloney.adam

2 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

That's the $64k question. Can they get Wheeler without trading Cease or Dunning? 

 

They should. Only 2 teams in the league wanted him at his given contract. He bolstered his value a but this year, but is also a year older. A deal revolving around Stiever while eating all his payroll is what I would do. Otherwise, just freaking sign Trevor Bauer. 

53 minutes ago, maloney.adam said:

 

We can't pay the salary that Philadelphia bid in free agency and throw in meaningful prospects in addition.  The Phils need to settle for salary relief and a token prospect or two.  Emphasis on "token."

2 minutes ago, maloney.adam said:

I would include Dunning in a trade for Wheeler. Your not handicapping your future because you would still have pitching depth in the minors with Kopech, Stiever, Crochet, Kelley, Thompson and Dalquist. 

I have a bad feeling that a Dunning trade will really bite us in the ass. 

There is no better fit for this offense than Harper. Would rather have him than Wheeler, to be honest.  I have a feeling Phillies would be open to trading him.  Also, this guy had the Wheeler stuff yesterday and said Harper is available.

https://mobile.twitter.com/brian_jenks/status/1335285192752238595

15 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

Dunning, Foster and a prospect OF for Wheeler and some $$ 

Yeah, that's not a horrible idea, depending on how much money Phili kicks in. What do you think is reasonable if that's the trade?

I’d start off with offering to pay 75% of wheelers contract and that’s it. They are not getting any players of note. None. 
 

they are in a tough spot, only a limited number of teams can absorb a K like wheelers so the time is perfect to be a buyer here.

According to Roster Resource, Wheeler is owed a bit more than 21.5/yr.

 

Zack Wheeler

30.5

5 yr, $118M (2020-24)

$23,600,000

$22,500,000

$26,000,000

$24,500,000

$23,500,000

2 minutes ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said:

I have a bad feeling that a Dunning trade will really bite us in the ass. 

I’m not even high on Dunning and that trade worries me.  Phillies better be eating a decent amount to include that much in return.

2 minutes ago, fathom said:

There is no better fit for this offense than Harper. Would rather have him than Wheeler, to be honest.  I have a feeling Phillies would be open to trading him.  Also, this guy had the Wheeler stuff yesterday and said Harper is available.

https://mobile.twitter.com/brian_jenks/status/1335285192752238595

There's just no way the sox take on Harper's contract

And no Harper. As soon as he left the Nats theNats won.coincidence? I think not

I’d give up Kopech, Cease, Dunning, Vaughn for Wheeler AND Harper in a heartbeat, it won’t happen but I’m just saying I would not be hesistant to include any of those guys for *BOTH*