December 19, 20205 yr Kopech + Vaughn for Castillo?? Anyway... Reds look to be on full on sell mode after Heyman's report that they won't be signing Bauer. Sonny Gray Luis Castillo Eugenio Suarez (Nationals?) All available (and probably more) Figured this is a good thread to talk about their SPs and assets to trade around the league.
December 19, 20205 yr The White Sox had talks for Sonny Gray and ultimately traded for Lance Lynn instead.
December 19, 20205 yr Author Predictions? Gray to the Padres Eugenio to the Nationals Castillo stays put
December 19, 20205 yr Their moves last winter really didn't make any sense. They had so much talent in front of them, there was no real path to be able to sustain this yet.
December 19, 20205 yr Author 7 minutes ago, Dominikk85 said: Probably means they are out on bauer too? 100%. Heyman reported it last night, to which trevor Bauer himself took offense to and started a twitter beef over. lol
December 19, 20205 yr Dunning would've been a great piece to start a Castillo deal with. That would've been a far more worthwhile deal as well.
December 19, 20205 yr 25 minutes ago, Dam8610 said: Dunning would've been a great piece to start a Castillo deal with. That would've been a far more worthwhile deal as well. Not a chance. That deal would have started with Kopech.
December 19, 20205 yr 5 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said: Not a chance. That deal would have started with Kopech. To me that would be a nonstarter.
December 19, 20205 yr 8 minutes ago, Dam8610 said: To me that would be a nonstarter. Yep. The Sox went after better contracts/pitchers than Lynn but the cost was steep.
December 19, 20205 yr 46 minutes ago, Dam8610 said: To me that would be a nonstarter. That is why the Sox got lynn. Castillo is 28 and has 3 years of control, that deal starts with a top20 prospect (60fv) or it doesn't happen at all. Fans always want to trade 6 mediocre prospects for a star but that doesn't work in reality, teams don't go quantity over quality because most 40fv prospects don't make the show at all. Castillo is projected for 4 war, only 28 and has 3 years of control, those drills don't happen without a 60fv or a good young major leaguer as headliner. Imo the sox don't need to make such a trade, they can sign another guy and keep their prospects. Edited December 19, 20205 yr by Dominikk85
December 19, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, iWiN4PreP said: Kopech + Vaughn for Castillo?? Anyway... Reds look to be on full on sell mode after Heyman's report that they won't be signing Bauer. Sonny Gray Luis Castillo Eugenio Suarez (Nationals?) All available (and probably more) Figured this is a good thread to talk about their SPs and assets to trade around the league. I swear anytime anyone is rumored to come available everyone wets their pants and wants to trade our top prospects.
December 19, 20205 yr I doubt the Sox would have had conversations about Gray without at least inquiring on Castillo. Have to imagine the price was too high for them.
December 19, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: The White Sox had talks for Sonny Gray and ultimately traded for Lance Lynn instead. Any ideas on the ask from the Reds? Assuming Kopech + Vaughn was their starting point.
December 19, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, Dominikk85 said: That is why the Sox got lynn. Castillo is 28 and has 3 years of control, that deal starts with a top20 prospect (60fv) or it doesn't happen at all. Fans always want to trade 6 mediocre prospects for a star but that doesn't work in reality, teams don't go quantity over quality because most 40fv prospects don't make the show at all. Castillo is projected for 4 war, only 28 and has 3 years of control, those drills don't happen without a 60fv or a good young major leaguer as headliner. Imo the sox don't need to make such a trade, they can sign another guy and keep their prospects. No, the Sox got Lynn because they panicked and sold low on Dunning. This organization needs to get better at valuing their talent and being patient and getting good deals. They did a great job of that with Quintana, getting the Cubs to panic and hand over Eloy and Cease. They could've kept Dunning and according to FanGraphs gotten the same caliber pitcher as Lynn for ~50 less innings. The market only demands a 60 FV prospect for Castillo if they can find one elsewhere. There's no need to give another team surplus talent just because they want it.
December 19, 20205 yr I'd trade Kopech + for Castillo, but not Vaughn also. Castillo is good, cheap and under control for 3-4 more years, but I'm not dealing two top 20 prospects for him
December 19, 20205 yr 5 minutes ago, soxfan49 said: I'd trade Kopech + for Castillo, but not Vaughn also. Castillo is good, cheap and under control for 3-4 more years, but I'm not dealing two top 20 prospects for him I wouldn't deal Kopech for him 1 for 1. That would only increase the MLB talent level for 2 months and the Sox would lose 2 years of control for it.
December 19, 20205 yr 4 minutes ago, Dam8610 said: I wouldn't deal Kopech for him 1 for 1. That would only increase the MLB talent level for 2 months and the Sox would lose 2 years of control for it. I think you know you're getting with Castillo. Castillo is a good #1/great #2. I don't think you know what you're getting with Kopech. He hasn't pitched in an MLB game in like 2 years. I'm also someone who thinks his mind hasn't been on baseball in 2 years, some in and some out of his control. I'd definitely deal Kopech for him 1 for 1 but Cincy wouldn't. I was thinking Kopech, Stiever and Thompson Edited December 19, 20205 yr by soxfan49
December 20, 20205 yr 17 minutes ago, Dam8610 said: No, the Sox got Lynn because they panicked and sold low on Dunning. This organization needs to get better at valuing their talent and being patient and getting good deals. They did a great job of that with Quintana, getting the Cubs to panic and hand over Eloy and Cease. They could've kept Dunning and according to FanGraphs gotten the same caliber pitcher as Lynn for ~50 less innings. The market only demands a 60 FV prospect for Castillo if they can find one elsewhere. There's no need to give another team surplus talent just because they want it. I think You are overrating the influence of negotiating skills, panicking etc in modern baseball. This was very important 10-20 years ago but in these days pretty much every front office has a pretty good concept of surplus value and real "fleecings" are quite rare. Dunning is a number 5 starter, longenhagen last had him as a 45 fv, he certainly isn't the headliner for a controlled star. There is not much precedent of a 28 year old star getting traded without at least moving a 55 or an established major leaguer in his prime. If they could have gotten more for dunning the sox would have done it. I believe the price for castillo is a 60 AND a 50 (but certainly not vaughn and kopech, that would be too much).
December 20, 20205 yr 16 minutes ago, fathom said: Reds would have no need for Vaughn either I agree. They still need to pay votto who can't be moved.
December 20, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, Dominikk85 said: I think You are overrating the influence of negotiating skills, panicking etc in modern baseball. This was very important 10-20 years ago but in these days pretty much every front office has a pretty good concept of surplus value and real "fleecings" are quite rare. Dunning is a number 5 starter, longenhagen last had him as a 45 fv, he certainly isn't the headliner for a controlled star. There is not much precedent of a 28 year old star getting traded without at least moving a 55 or an established major leaguer in his prime. If they could have gotten more for dunning the sox would have done it. I believe the price for castillo is a 60 AND a 50 (but certainly not vaughn and kopech, that would be too much). People need to start realizing that FV is not the end all be all and that prospects who have had success at AA or above are inherently more valuable than ones who haven't been above Rookie or A- ball. Further, FV goes completely out the window once a player reaches MLB. Dunning projects on Steamer, which is always conservative, to be a ~2.5 WAR pitcher next year. That's 55 on the FV system as I recall, and again not taking into account the level at which it's happening. Dunning would be a good headliner in this deal. Yes, it would take more pieces, but I believe it could get done, and if it couldn't, it's because some other team overpaid.
December 20, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, Dam8610 said: I wouldn't deal Kopech for him 1 for 1. That would only increase the MLB talent level for 2 months and the Sox would lose 2 years of control for it. And the Sox are not dealing Kopech. Right now his trade value is nowhere close to his actual value.
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