January 6, 20215 yr The disturbing point I read about this on MLB trade rumors is not the interest in Brad Hand, but the mention of Crochet in a bullpen role. Hopefully it is simply conjecture on the author's part. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/ Quote Tony La Russa’s club is well-stocked in southpaws with fast-rising rookie Garrett Crochet coming off a very impressive initial Major League showing, as well as Aaron Bummer, who might be the premier wormkiller in the game. Jace Fry has also been a productive southpaw for the ChiSox with a 4.07 FIP, 29.6 percent strikeout rate, 13.7 percent walk rate, and 51.2 percent groundball rate over the past three seasons. To add Hand to that group may seem gluttonous, but slotting him in as the closer would allow Chicago to continue to use Fry and Bummer situationally while protecting Crochet’s usage. Unless the Sox state there are known or likely future health issues preventing Crochet to be a Starter, they should be doing everything possible to build him up for that eventuality. Crochet will never be a starter if he doesn't build up significant innings over the next two seasons. He could be a legitimate playoff starter for years.
January 6, 20215 yr Love me some Hand.. But we would be very LHP heavy in the bullpen for the playoffs with Hand, Bummer and Crochet.. Still the second best option hands down though
January 6, 20215 yr 12 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said: The disturbing point I read about this on MLB trade rumors is not the interest in Brad Hand, but the mention of Crochet in a bullpen role. Hopefully it is simply conjecture on the author's part. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/ Unless the Sox state there are known or likely future health issues preventing Crochet to be a Starter, they should be doing everything possible to build him up for that eventuality. Crochet will never be a starter if he doesn't build up significant innings over the next two seasons. He could be a legitimate playoff starter for years. Getz said they are grooming him as a starter
January 6, 20215 yr 1 hour ago, joesaiditstrue said: Getz said they are grooming him as a starter The smartest thing the organization can do would be to let Crochet develop as a SP in the minor leagues. They can always call him up later in the season to reinforce the bullpen.
January 6, 20215 yr 2 hours ago, steveno89 said: The smartest thing the organization can do would be to let Crochet develop as a SP in the minor leagues. They can always call him up later in the season to reinforce the bullpen. They can also build his innings in the MLB pen. He needs to get near 100 innings, I would think. He also needs to show he can stay healthy
January 6, 20215 yr 34 minutes ago, ptatc said: They can also build his innings in the MLB pen. He needs to get near 100 innings, I would think. He also needs to show he can stay healthy Of course he can get to 100 being in the MLB all year thats not the issue. He could pitch 2 innings each time and get there. The issue is building his arm up to 5 innings, even if he hits the same inning total. Wouldn't you agree they're different?
January 7, 20215 yr I like Hand best as a replacement for Jace Fry with Colome still brought back as a closer. I bet we could trade Fry and get at least a pizza puff in return. Regular Season: Colome: 9th inning 3 outs guy Bummer + Heuer: L/R 6-7-8 inning emergency stoppers; also get 8th inning work Hand: traditional LHSU/2nd lefty in the pen Marshall: traditional RHSU/2nd righty in the pen Foster: first man out / LR / 6th inning guy Others like Burdi are worked in to develop Playoffs: Crochet: Our big-time FU type closer Colome: 8th inning guy / 10th inning guy Bummer + Heuer: stoppers / win by any means necessary guys Hand, Marshall, Foster: use as is necessary only
January 7, 20215 yr 1 hour ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Of course he can get to 100 being in the MLB all year thats not the issue. He could pitch 2 innings each time and get there. The issue is building his arm up to 5 innings, even if he hits the same inning total. Wouldn't you agree they're different? Given how few innings he pitched in 2020 and 2019, this is going to be a 2 year process. He needs to get to 100+ innings any way possible in 2021, and then he can get stretched in 2022.
January 7, 20215 yr 2 hours ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Of course he can get to 100 being in the MLB all year thats not the issue. He could pitch 2 innings each time and get there. The issue is building his arm up to 5 innings, even if he hits the same inning total. Wouldn't you agree they're different? They really aren't that different at this time. If he gets to 100 only starting, he will either pitch only every 8th day or end his season very early. In the pen he can pitch the whole season a little at a time. Next year is the year he needs to build up consecutive innings so he can pitch 130-150 innings. This year is just getting him increased innings because he's never done that.
January 7, 20215 yr 11 minutes ago, ptatc said: They really aren't that different at this time. If he gets to 100 only starting, he will either pitch only every 8th day or end his season very early. In the pen he can pitch the whole season a little at a time. Next year is the year he needs to build up consecutive innings so he can pitch 130-150 innings. This year is just getting him increased innings because he's never done that. Thanks for your insight. If that’s true, then I’m not sure why anybody would want him to start in the minors. Curious to hear @Y2Jimmy0’s thoughts, since I know you’ve been wanting him to start in Birmingham. (Maybe we could move these last few posts to the Crochet/Kopech thread)
January 7, 20215 yr 24 minutes ago, ptatc said: They really aren't that different at this time. If he gets to 100 only starting, he will either pitch only every 8th day or end his season very early. In the pen he can pitch the whole season a little at a time. Next year is the year he needs to build up consecutive innings so he can pitch 130-150 innings. This year is just getting him increased innings because he's never done that. Yep, this is what I was thinking.
January 7, 20215 yr 1 hour ago, SoxBlanco said: Thanks for your insight. If that’s true, then I’m not sure why anybody would want him to start in the minors. Curious to hear @Y2Jimmy0’s thoughts, since I know you’ve been wanting him to start in Birmingham. (Maybe we could move these last few posts to the Crochet/Kopech thread) The Sale plan doesn’t make sense for him because he has no innings base. If they think he’s a starter, he should be starting. If he’s in the big league bullpen all year, I’d bet that he’s never a starter. He needs innings. I doubt he gets 100 pitching out of big league bullpen.
January 7, 20215 yr 17 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: The Sale plan doesn’t make sense for him because he has no innings base. If they think he’s a starter, he should be starting. If he’s in the big league bullpen all year, I’d bet that he’s never a starter. He needs innings. I doubt he gets 100 pitching out of big league bullpen. I think they're going to pitch him in some high leverage situations and in 3 inning mop up stints as well.
January 7, 20215 yr 35 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: The Sale plan doesn’t make sense for him because he has no innings base. If they think he’s a starter, he should be starting. If he’s in the big league bullpen all year, I’d bet that he’s never a starter. He needs innings. I doubt he gets 100 pitching out of big league bullpen. I think he should be an opener every six days/emergency reliever otherwise. Three or so innings. It’ll help the rest of the staff as well after short workloads in 2020. Evaluate after the season.
January 7, 20215 yr 2 hours ago, ptatc said: They really aren't that different at this time. If he gets to 100 only starting, he will either pitch only every 8th day or end his season very early. In the pen he can pitch the whole season a little at a time. Next year is the year he needs to build up consecutive innings so he can pitch 130-150 innings. This year is just getting him increased innings because he's never done that. They will probably treat him like they treated chris sale. Same thing .
January 7, 20215 yr 43 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: The Sale plan doesn’t make sense for him because he has no innings base. If they think he’s a starter, he should be starting. If he’s in the big league bullpen all year, I’d bet that he’s never a starter. He needs innings. I doubt he gets 100 pitching out of big league bullpen. I don’t think it’ll be the Sale plan. I see them being creative to get him up to 100 innings. If they start him in the bigs, there will definitely be a plan that is well thought-out. Maybe it’s a few starts here or there. Maybe it’s 2 or 3 or eventually even 4 inning relief appearances once a week for a certain amount of time. If it doesn’t matter how he gets his 100 innings in terms of affecting his chances of being a starter moving forward, and a solid plan is put into place, I’d rather him be in the majors being challenged and helping the team.
January 7, 20215 yr 10 hours ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Love me some Hand.. But we would be very LHP heavy in the bullpen for the playoffs with Hand, Bummer and Crochet.. Still the second best option hands down though Infinite possibilities for old rock walk up music: I Want to Hold your Hand- Beatles Too Much Time on My Hands -Styx Hand in Hand - Elvis Costello Hand Me Down World-The Guess Who Hand In My Pocket- Alanis Morissette Second Hand News - Fleetwood Mac Hand On Heart-Queensryche The Hand That Feeds - Nine Inch Nails Hand Over Fist -Rush Hold My Hand - Hootie and the Blowfish I'll stop now. Edited January 7, 20215 yr by CaliSoxFanViaSWside
January 7, 20215 yr 19 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: The thought of Hand as our closer is growing on me. Two years at 8 mil sounds much better than Hendriks 4 yrs at 14/15 per year. Money saved here can be better spent thrown at the starter search.
January 7, 20215 yr 9 hours ago, Blackout Friday said: I think he should be an opener every six days/emergency reliever otherwise. Three or so innings. It’ll help the rest of the staff as well after short workloads in 2020. Evaluate after the season. Giolito, Lynn and Keuchel don’t like pitching on 5 days rest. We don’t have to complicate this
January 7, 20215 yr 1 hour ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: Giolito, Lynn and Keuchel don’t like pitching on 5 days rest. We don’t have to complicate this Agreed. You can't take guys whose bodies are used to a certain amount of work/rest ratio and all of a sudden change it. The body doesn't work that way. You can slowly modify over time but not that abruptly.
January 7, 20215 yr 58 minutes ago, ptatc said: Agreed. You can't take guys whose bodies are used to a certain amount of work/rest ratio and all of a sudden change it. The body doesn't work that way. You can slowly modify over time but not that abruptly. For sure. Also...you also have a new coach and a new pitching coach that will have to navigate the personnel. Radically altering your three best pitchers cadence probably isn't the way to kick off that new coaching relationship.
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