September 14, 20214 yr 44 minutes ago, hi8is said: You obviously know but the guy I was responding to didn’t… I’m actually aware of it haha but still think it’s weird. Might as well start a thread for everyone else we almost drafted.
September 14, 20214 yr 43 minutes ago, manbearpuig said: I’m actually aware of it haha but still think it’s weird. Might as well start a thread for everyone else we almost drafted. This is now a Kelenic/Trammell/Kyle Lewis thread.
September 15, 20214 yr 10 hours ago, hi8is said: You obviously know but the guy I was responding to didn’t… I really thought Harold was Kelenic's dad. Now I get why people think this thread is weird.
September 15, 20214 yr Kelenic has been the worst player in MLB this season according to Fangraphs: he now is dead last in fWAR. Impressive. Edited September 15, 20214 yr by chitownsportsfan
September 16, 20214 yr On 9/14/2021 at 8:20 AM, supernuke said: Really, is that why? I thought Kelenic was his son or something. We did have some AA players' fiance post here a bit years back
September 16, 20214 yr 16 hours ago, ron883 said: Kelenic is a pile of garbage in CF. They need to move him ASAP He's nothing special in a corner either. His bat looks closer to 250/310/450 long term as well. Looking quite a bit like a guy that might have some nice 3-5 WAR seasons in his absolute prime (Mitch Hanniger like for a Mariners comp) but that still needs A LOT of development. Avi is another one perhaps.
September 20, 20214 yr 22 hours ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Kid's hotter than a rolling ball of butcher knives. ?? For someone that would continually mock Madrigal for his lack of power, Madrigal has a career OPS of .133 higher than Kelenic in the same number of plate appearances. And apparently Kelenic’s defense is horrendous too. Thought this guy was 5-tool?
September 20, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: For someone that would continually mock Madrigal for his lack of power, Madrigal has a career OPS of .133 higher than Kelenic in the same number of plate appearances. And apparently Kelenic’s defense is horrendous too. Thought this guy was 5-tool? Players take time to develop - who would’ve thunk it?
September 20, 20214 yr 4 hours ago, hi8is said: Players take time to develop - who would’ve thunk it? I’m not saying this guy won’t be good but if Sox fans were disappointed with Madrigal I’ve gotta imagine Mariners fans are very disappointed with the early returns on Kelenic. Edited September 21, 20214 yr by JUSTgottaBELIEVE
September 25, 20214 yr Now at .172, had a big chance to break the game wide open but just flew out. Got to feel for Mariners and Blue Jays fans. (Not that anyone predicted Seattle would be in this position without Lewis and Paxton for most of the year, and Kelenic struggling to get his OPS up over .600)
September 25, 20214 yr On 9/20/2021 at 12:47 PM, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: For someone that would continually mock Madrigal for his lack of power, Madrigal has a career OPS of .133 higher than Kelenic in the same number of plate appearances. And apparently Kelenic’s defense is horrendous too. Thought this guy was 5-tool? It’s much too early to speak definitively on either career, but jumping on player promoted at age 21 (post service time manipulation), when most of his peers are in college or low minors, is a bit short sighted. Kelenic’s OPS the past 28 days (baseball reference default split date (also 7, 14 days) is .809. Jarred is 2 1/2 years younger than Madrigal, still a huge difference / factor at this stage of their respective development. https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.fcgi?id=kelenja01&year=2021&t=b Edited September 25, 20214 yr by South Side Hit Men
September 25, 20214 yr 5 hours ago, South Side Hit Men said: It’s much too early to speak definitively on either career, but jumping on player promoted at age 21 (post service time manipulation), when most of his peers are in college or low minors, is a bit short sighted. Kelenic’s OPS the past 28 days (baseball reference default split date (also 7, 14 days) is .809. Jarred is 2 1/2 years younger than Madrigal, still a huge difference / factor at this stage of their respective development. https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.fcgi?id=kelenja01&year=2021&t=b Probably the biggest reason this thread exists is because the Sox took Madrigal ahead of him, and Harold hates Madrigal. Kelenic is going to be a good player, but he isn't Mike Trout on steroids like Harold wants you to believe. Edited September 25, 20214 yr by Dick Allen
September 27, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Kid took the MVP deeeeeeeeep. He's gonna be a superstar. ?? LOL - The cherry picking in that tweet should net 10-15 years in the slammer. Willie McCovey - Age 21- 52 Games 13 HRs; 1.085 OPS (Rookie of the Year) Mickey Mantle - Age 19 - 96 G; 13 HR; .792 OPS (Age 20 season - 3rd in MVP voting 23 HRs .924 OPS) Hank Aaron - Age 20 - 122 G (Negro Leagues); 13 HRs, .769 OPS (27/.924 in age 21 season, 44 HRs / .895 OPS first MLB season) Jarred Kelenic - Age 21 - 87 G; 14 HRs, .602 OPS Edited September 27, 20214 yr by South Side Hit Men
September 28, 20214 yr Harold, you're really pushing it. At least with Puig in his first two seasons and then Tatis, they put up legit numbers that didn't need to be "massaged" to make reasonable-sounding arguments on behalf of a player. Obviously we'll never know how the likes of Kelenic and Vaughn (from a White Sox fan perspective) would have had their career trajectories transformed by playing a "normal" 2020 schedule. But someone will argue perhaps that player never would have been a star regardless, if Covid completely derailed their career/s. Of course, there are players like Eduardo Rodriguez and Freddie Freeman that are quite fortunate to be alive, for example.
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