28 minutes ago, RagahRagah said:

So we're talking bad defense and management?

The tigers had bad defense, the sox just no showed in all facets

I don't understand the calls for Ozzie after some losses. There are many others who could have been good managers for this team. The White Sox just refused to interview them.

40 minutes ago, RagahRagah said:

So we're talking bad defense and management?

I'm talking Grandal, Abreu, and Giolito

but that's just me personally

9 minutes ago, joesaiditstrue said:

I'm talking Grandal, Abreu, and Giolito

but that's just me personally

6 IP and 1 run isn’t good enough for you?

This is not 2019-20 All-Star Giolito, at least not yet.

He’s somewhere in between that elite form and the abysmal 2016-18 Washington/early Sox version.

27 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

This is not 2019-20 All-Star Giolito, at least not yet.

He’s somewhere in between that elite form and the abysmal 2016-18 Washington/early Sox version.

The difference is Grandal, he has never been able to pitch to him. I say have Collins catch him next time out.

26 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

This is not 2019-20 All-Star Giolito, at least not yet.

He’s somewhere in between that elite form and the abysmal 2016-18 Washington/early Sox version.

Bull plop. He had one awful game against Boston (not LaRussa’s fault). He had one great game against Cleveland. He has had 1 game where the manager gave up 3 runs credited to him.

He started off with a terrible game against Minnesota last season too.

9 minutes ago, reiks12 said:

The difference is Grandal, he has never been able to pitch to him. I say have Collins catch him next time out.

This should be fairly obvious by now.  

20 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:

This should be fairly obvious by now.  

Obvious to everyone, except Hall of Fame Baseball persons.

23 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:

This should be fairly obvious by now.  

His velocity & command fading last night are somehow Grandal’s fault?

1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said:

His velocity & command fading last night are somehow Grandal’s fault?

Grandal has been pretty pitiful this season, but not sure how anyone can say that 7th inning is on Grandal.  

I am all for trying Collins with Gio the next turn or two, and honestly, at this point Collins probably deserves a few more starts.  Grandal outside of some walks is bringing nothing to the table at the moment.  

1 hour ago, ChiSox59 said:

Grandal outside of some walks is bringing nothing to the table at the moment.  

What about the double plays, dropped balls, and interference calls?