2 minutes ago, Jerksticks said:

Do we really need a horse 30 starts though?  I mean I’d love to get Keuchel out of the rotation before the season starts, but aren’t the Sox more likely to let him fail all April/May to pretend they honored their contract to a veteran blah blah?

So if trade for Manaea now, are we going 6 man for a couple months until Dallas implodes himself out?

 

If they think Keuchel is cooked, you 100% upgrade now.

3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

If they think Keuchel is cooked, you 100% upgrade now.

Yea but that’s US being the front office.  I’m not sure if that’s how it really works at 35th st.  He might get 5-10 starts of shit.  Assuming that, maybe the trade happens early in the year like attempted 1st Peavy?

Edited April 2, 20224 yr by Jerksticks

2 minutes ago, Jerksticks said:

Yea but that’s US being the front office.  I’m not sure if that’s how it really works at 35th st.  He might get 5-10 starts of shit.  Assuming that, maybe the trade happens early in the year like attempted 1st Peavy?

We literally have no one to replace him after 5 to 10 starts though.

I am disgusted by the amount of people on Twitter who think the cost for Manaea would be Andrew Vaughn.  Just crazy how much the common fan (and Phil Rogers) struggles with player valuation.

If they trade Vaughn it will be for a perennial CY Young but for anything else he’s not going anywhere. 

 

I wouldn’t be surprised if Phil Rogers calls a home run a touch down. 

2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

 

I'd be down with that.

1 minute ago, CentralChamps21 said:

I'd be down with that.

Nah, injury issue is scary for Castillo

People should be asking themselves this when considering trading Vaughn....would the Tigers trade Tork for this package?  

2 minutes ago, fathom said:

Nah, injury issue is scary for Castillo

Really? He made 30+ starts each of the past 3 full seasons.

6 minutes ago, CentralChamps21 said:

Really? He made 30+ starts each of the past 3 full seasons.

He’s dinged up now 

There's no way they're trading Vaughn for 1 year of Manaea. That's insane. 

6 minutes ago, chw42 said:

There's no way they're trading Vaughn for 1 year of Manaea. That's insane. 

I think we see why Sox prospect rankings were bad in the past

8 minutes ago, chw42 said:

There's no way they're trading Vaughn for 1 year of Manaea. That's insane. 

Absolutely agree. However, this is the group that traded Madrigal for half a year of Kimbrel, so...

1 minute ago, Timmy U said:

Absolutely agree. However, this is the group that traded Madrigal for half a year of Kimbrel, so...

This isn’t even close to the same situation.

2 minutes ago, Timmy U said:

Absolutely agree. However, this is the group that traded Madrigal for half a year of Kimbrel, so...

I think the org thinks much more highly of Vaughn than Madrigal.

On the WS Talk podcast, Stoney implied the Sox are very high on Manaea.  He made it sound like it’s possible they could trade from their farm system for him, but he didn’t sound like anything is imminent.

5 minutes ago, Timmy U said:

Absolutely agree. However, this is the group that traded Madrigal for half a year of Kimbrel, so...

Vaughn was a universal top 25 prospect.  Madrigal wasn’t even top 100 for some.

3 minutes ago, fathom said:

On the WS Talk podcast, Stoney implied the Sox are very high on Manaea.  He made it sound like it’s possible they could trade from their farm system for him, but he didn’t sound like anything is imminent.

Burger, Adolfo+++

Edited April 2, 20224 yr by maloney.adam

Just now, maloney.adam said:

Burger, Adolfo+++

Think more long-term like Kath or Ramos

4 minutes ago, fathom said:

Think more long-term like Kath or Ramos

Ugh

Just now, SoCalChiSox said:

Ugh

That’s with someone like Sheets

2 minutes ago, fathom said:

That’s with someone like Sheets

Just feels unnecessary. Sheets + Kath/Ramos + one of the HS pitchers is a big ask for 30 starts. 

18 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said:

This isn’t even close to the same situation.

I was never a huge fan of the Madrigal pick because I like upside, however, here are some ways that the situation is similar:

Madrigal was the 4th pick in the draft.  Vaughn was the 3rd pick.

Madrigal came up, was somewhat disappointing, but then showed flashes of offensive potential, especially in the last month before he was hurt.  Vaughn came up, struggled (especially against RH sliders,) then showed flashes of offensive potential before getting hurt/wearing down in the last two months.  And like Madrigal, Vaughn is currently injured even if it's not severe.

Madrigal and Vaughn both hit RH, so are somewhat replaceable given the Sox have other RH options. (Perhaps they believe that Burger could be a pretty good 1b/DH option down the road)

This is the exact same front office, and they seem to value the now in extraordinary ways. Just look at all the 30+ players they've added in the last couple of years.

I think this would be a moronic thing to do, but given their track record of trading Semien/Bassitt for Samardzija, Tatis for Shields, and Madrigal/Heuer for Kimbrel, I just don't see how you can 100% rule out them doing something this stupid again.

Edited April 2, 20224 yr by Timmy U