June 28, 20223 yr This is yet another example why nothing will change with this organization until there is a new majority owner, GM, and entire FO. They are all totally incompetent and that is why we have the manager and product on the field that we have. Moncada will be on the IL again within a couple weeks and they will have to bring the kid back up.
June 28, 20223 yr So they brought the kid up from AA to play in like 5 games? WTF were they thinking?
June 28, 20223 yr It's so dumb to waste an option and 40 man spot on Sosa if this is what they were going to do. Sanchez should have been brought up instead.
June 28, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: It's so dumb to waste an option and 40 man spot on Sosa if this is what they were going to do. Sanchez should have been brought up instead. Don’t even bother with that. Use a guy you don’t care about losing or sign a free agent.
June 28, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: Don’t even bother with that. Use a guy you don’t care about losing or sign a free agent. Sanchez is 25. He should get his shot to prove himself as a utility infielder.
June 28, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Sanchez is 25. He should get his shot to prove himself as a utility infielder. 5 games wouldn’t be that for him either.
June 28, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: 5 games wouldn’t be that for him either. While true, did they even have anyone to bring up other than Sanchez or Sosa?
June 28, 20223 yr 33 minutes ago, bmags said: hell Zach Remillard for a weekend is just as acceptable if you don't want to pull up Yolbert. He is versatile, old, and walks a lot. Absolutely zero reason to leapfrog Yolbert for only one weekend. This. Not only does bringing up Sosa burn an option year, but occupies a 40 man spot. Remillard could have been brought up and then DFA and outrighted back to Charlotte.
June 28, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: While true, did they even have anyone to bring up other than Sanchez or Sosa? Yes, read the rest of the thread. Refill are added to the 40 man or Dee Strange-Gordon as a FA.
June 28, 20223 yr Just to add on, since the sox aren't concerned about winning, Remillard has been in the org since 2016, this would have been a cup of tea to a guy whose worked his ass off despite not being the most talented. He plays nearly every position except center. He was part of the 2016 championship Coastal Carolina team. But instead keep sosa on the bench for 3 games, lead off in 1. Just chefs kiss.
June 28, 20223 yr 51 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: We are idiots because we called him up in the first place and had to add him to the 40/started the clock. That’s fair tho imo like 5 days of service time is mostly irrelevant. Using an option year for 5 days is silly, but he would have had to have been added to the 40 man this offseason anyway (he was actually rule 5 eligible this past winter if there was one).
June 28, 20223 yr At least the diehard prospect fans had something to be excited about for roughly one week… And now there’s another player we can monitor in the future to see how they bungle his development. He’s not going to be the next Marcus Semien, but leave it to the Sox to keep playing the latest version of Jimmy Rollins while blocking their prospects and still simultaneously not managing to compete or entertain either. Well, I guess we did have two consecutive games of high stepping fun.
June 28, 20223 yr 21 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: he would have had to have been added to the 40 man this offseason anyway That makes me feel better about having added him now, and if he's going to be as good as we think he is, burning the option year shouldn't matter either.
June 28, 20223 yr 15 minutes ago, CentralChamps21 said: That makes me feel better about having added him now, and if he's going to be as good as we think he is, burning the option year shouldn't matter either. Yeah, I mean it seems to me like this situation is a bit blown out of proportion. The Sox left Sosa unprotected last offseason; if there was Rule 5 draft, anyone could have had him. Obviously he's blown up this season and become a much better prospect, but he would have had to have been added to 40 man this coming December anyway. Calling him up and not playing him is/was stupid, but he ended up playing in 4/5 games he was here and looked mostly overmatched. If the plan was indeed just a short term plug until Moncada's return, they probably should have just grabbed someone off the waiver wire they were willing to DFA in a few days. Most of Sosa's PT was because Harrison got hurt AFTER Sosa got called up; so it seems like they either didn't intend to play him much; or TLR and the FO disagreed. But is it really worth getting your panties in a bunch? Sox gave the kid some reps and let him taste the big leagues. It was a tiny sample, but he didn't do much. He is the right person to get demoted - accepting that Leury isn't going anywhere - based on the current roster. It is bad process. But its really not that big of a deal. If Sosa cannot become a major league quality player by 2025 when he's out of options, he's probably not really worth getting too worked up about anyway.
June 28, 20223 yr 13 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Yeah, I mean it seems to me like this situation is a bit blown out of proportion. The Sox left Sosa unprotected last offseason; if there was Rule 5 draft, anyone could have had him. Obviously he's blown up this season and become a much better prospect, but he would have had to have been added to 40 man this coming December anyway. Calling him up and not playing him is/was stupid, but he ended up playing in 4/5 games he was here and looked mostly overmatched. If the plan was indeed just a short term plug until Moncada's return, they probably should have just grabbed someone off the waiver wire they were willing to DFA in a few days. Most of Sosa's PT was because Harrison got hurt AFTER Sosa got called up; so it seems like they either didn't intend to play him much; or TLR and the FO disagreed. But is it really worth getting your panties in a bunch? Sox gave the kid some reps and let him taste the big leagues. It was a tiny sample, but he didn't do much. He is the right person to get demoted - accepting that Leury isn't going anywhere - based on the current roster. It is bad process. But its really not that big of a deal. If Sosa cannot become a major league quality player by 2025 when he's out of options, he's probably not really worth getting too worked up about anyway. It becomes a big deal when the bad process is on repeat throughout every level of the organization. It really speaks to incompetence or ignorance, or both.
June 28, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: If they aren't going to play him every day, I am glad then sent Sosa to AAA. Yeah, but I think the point is he should have never come up in the first place if that's tbe case.
June 28, 20223 yr Just now, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Yeah, but I think the point is he should have never come up in the first place if that's tbe case. Would agree with that, but who knows whose stupidity that actually is.
June 28, 20223 yr 19 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Yeah, I mean it seems to me like this situation is a bit blown out of proportion. The Sox left Sosa unprotected last offseason; if there was Rule 5 draft, anyone could have had him. Obviously he's blown up this season and become a much better prospect, but he would have had to have been added to 40 man this coming December anyway. Calling him up and not playing him is/was stupid, but he ended up playing in 4/5 games he was here and looked mostly overmatched. If the plan was indeed just a short term plug until Moncada's return, they probably should have just grabbed someone off the waiver wire they were willing to DFA in a few days. Most of Sosa's PT was because Harrison got hurt AFTER Sosa got called up; so it seems like they either didn't intend to play him much; or TLR and the FO disagreed. But is it really worth getting your panties in a bunch? Sox gave the kid some reps and let him taste the big leagues. It was a tiny sample, but he didn't do much. He is the right person to get demoted - accepting that Leury isn't going anywhere - based on the current roster. It is bad process. But its really not that big of a deal. If Sosa cannot become a major league quality player by 2025 when he's out of options, he's probably not really worth getting too worked up about anyway. It wastes exactly 1 minor league option. For a guy who would have a good chance at being optioned to start next year anyway, that's a surprisingly big deal. If they didn't call him up now, and he stayed in the minors all year, he has 3 options left next year. Starts the year either at AAA or in the big leagues depending on what they want to do, and then has 3 years to develop into a big league hitter before he's released. Now he has 2. A totally plausible scenario is: he spends most of one year in AAA, has an injury at some point that costs him a couple months, and then we're staring at him running out of options to start 2025 without anyone being convinced he can play at the big league level, so we trade him late in the spring for whatever or he gets claimed on waivers and then immediately breaks out at that point. It may not happen, but it's like playing Russian Roulette - things aren't likely to go bad every time you do something unnecessarily dumb, but its possible, and if you do the same dumb thing enough then eventually you will give away a player who makes a big difference against you.
June 28, 20223 yr 9 minutes ago, turnin' two said: It becomes a big deal when the bad process is on repeat throughout every level of the organization. It really speaks to incompetence or ignorance, or both. That's fair. Sox deserve plenty of criticism for a myriad of decisions. I just don't think this one is at the top of the list of things to b**** about. Sticking with a lifeless corpse as the captain of the Titanic, and not acquiring a legitimate LHH or two this offseason rendering our OF corners into a men's softball team, however, deserve TONS of criticism.
June 28, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: It wastes exactly 1 minor league option. For a guy who would have a good chance at being optioned to start next year anyway, that's a surprisingly big deal. If they didn't call him up now, and he stayed in the minors all year, he has 3 options left next year. Starts the year either at AAA or in the big leagues depending on what they want to do, and then has 3 years to develop into a big league hitter before he's released. Now he has 2. A totally plausible scenario is: he spends most of one year in AAA, has an injury at some point that costs him a couple months, and then we're staring at him running out of options to start 2025 without anyone being convinced he can play at the big league level, so we trade him late in the spring for whatever or he gets claimed on waivers and then immediately breaks out at that point. It may not happen, but it's like playing Russian Roulette - things aren't likely to go bad every time you do something unnecessarily dumb, but its possible, and if you do the same dumb thing enough then eventually you will give away a player who makes a big difference against you. Shrug; I am well aware of how options work. Sox can send Sosa back and forth between the minors and majors for 2.5 more seasons. Their hands are not tied until 2025. If he's still looking at getting optioned in 2025 after 2.5 seasons in AAA, he isn't worth all the hand wringing. I get the potential downside risk, but its fairly remote. If he was better prospect heading into 22, he'd have been added to the 40 man last December. Like I said, calling him up for 5 days was a curious decision. To me it reeks of the a lack of communication between the FO and TLR. But this downside risk you laid out isn't really all that likely to come to fruition. I too would have just opted for a waiver wire pick, or Dee Gordon as you've pointed out, but I just don't think this is something worth skewering the organization over. There is plenty of other things to do that about.
June 28, 20223 yr 14 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: It wastes exactly 1 minor league option. For a guy who would have a good chance at being optioned to start next year anyway, that's a surprisingly big deal. If they didn't call him up now, and he stayed in the minors all year, he has 3 options left next year. Starts the year either at AAA or in the big leagues depending on what they want to do, and then has 3 years to develop into a big league hitter before he's released. Now he has 2. A totally plausible scenario is: he spends most of one year in AAA, has an injury at some point that costs him a couple months, and then we're staring at him running out of options to start 2025 without anyone being convinced he can play at the big league level, so we trade him late in the spring for whatever or he gets claimed on waivers and then immediately breaks out at that point. It may not happen, but it's like playing Russian Roulette - things aren't likely to go bad every time you do something unnecessarily dumb, but its possible, and if you do the same dumb thing enough then eventually you will give away a player who makes a big difference against you. If for whatever reason they try to add at the deadline, this is a move that could --- albeit slightly-- detract a bit from his value to another team.
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