1 hour ago, Sarava said:

I don't disagree. They've cornered themselves in with some bad contracts. I was just pointing out - right now Giolito is a mediocre 3rd/4th starter at best, until he proves otherwise. I'm not sure that he is a barometer for any success or lack of going forward.

This is how i view some of the guys on the team ...

Eloy = Carlos Lee

Giolito = better version of Gavin Floyd

Moncada = Crede (not profile wise, but in terms of never meeting potential)

 

Conforto seems like a deal the Sox would make and then mid August he would have a set back that would push him to next season, but any other team makes the deal and he comes back earlier than expected And is a huge part of a playoff run

5 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

Conforto seems like a deal the Sox would make and then mid August he would have a set back that would push him to next season, but any other team makes the deal and he comes back earlier than expected And is a huge part of a playoff run

Still worth it.  Flip Pollock + $3-5M (or a lottery ticket) for Gallo and sign Conforto to a 2 year $15M deal (pay him a few mill this year).  If he comes back in September and contributes, great.  If he comes back and is rusty AF, you don't even need to put him on the playoff roster if we're lucky enough to make it.  If he doesn't come back, he's your RF in 2023 and has all of ST to work off the rust.   

Edited July 27, 20223 yr by ChiSox59
typo - How is next year 2023 already?

1 minute ago, ChiSox59 said:

Still worth it.  Flip Pollock + $3-5M (or a lottery ticket) for Gallo and sign Conforto to a 2 year $15M deal (pay him a few mill this year).  If he comes back in September and contributes, great.  If he comes back and is rusty AF, you don't even need to put him on the playoff roster if we're lucky enough to make it.  If he doesn't come back, he's your RF in 2022 and has all of ST to work off the rust.   

You won't ever get me to want Gallo, fuck that guy

1 minute ago, Kyyle23 said:

You won't ever get me to want Gallo, fuck that guy

Fair.  I don't really want him either, but he's a far better roster fit than Pollock. 

Yeah sorry I'm out on Gallo, out on Conforto.

Gallo can be fixed, I don't think it will be this season. Conforto, just no way I'm touching that guy. Will probably be short-sighted but just seems too dumb to get injured as a free agent.

1 minute ago, bmags said:

Yeah sorry I'm out on Gallo, out on Conforto.

Gallo can be fixed, I don't think it will be this season. Conforto, just no way I'm touching that guy. Will probably be short-sighted but just seems too dumb to get injured as a free agent.

Would not trust this coaching staff.

10 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

It has to happen next year considering Giolito's status, the fact that it would be two years without a post-season appearance (if they didn't make it THIS year)...which would spell the doom of the rebuild's momentum (the Cubs had that one year without making it, and then bounced back, but they started with three consecutive NL championship series  as a baseline too)...and TA's free agency status looming the following year as well (progress of Montgomery in AA/AAA).

Not to mention they would need to find a completely new catcher for 2024, which means next year is pivotal.  Lynn's status is up in the air too, quite obviously, after 2023.

Well the Astros didn't make it in their year 2 of their now 8 year window.
Need a deft touch; not this all or nothing stuff.  And the Sox have the budget to stay good (if they would stop using significant bucks on utility infielders et al)

1 minute ago, ChiSox59 said:

Fair.  I don't really want him either, but he's a far better roster fit than Pollock. 

I don't even really agree with that right now.   Taking a guy who is struggling in arguably the best offense in the league and dropping him on this team just sounds like a lose lose situation to me even with his defense

Just now, Bob Sacamano said:

Would not trust this coaching staff.

Telling Gallo to stop pulling the ball might actually help him. 

Also, he was having one of the best years of his career before being traded to NY. He might just be one of those guys that can't handle the spotlight and pressure of NY. 

2 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Would not trust this coaching staff.

Which coaching staff could you really trust?  I mean, the Yankees can't figure him out? 

2 minutes ago, chw42 said:

Telling Gallo to stop pulling the ball might actually help him. 

Also, he was having one of the best years of his career before being traded to NY. He might just be one of those guys that can't handle the spotlight and pressure of NY. 

His best year was 2019, iirc he was fading hard when the Yankees got him and it never got better  

edit: yea his June was big and he fell off a cliff and July and really has been a .160 Hitter that only strikes out and occasionally hits a bomb since he became a yankee

 

1 minute ago, Kyyle23 said:

I don't even really agree with that right now.   Taking a guy who is struggling in arguably the best offense in the league and dropping him on this team just sounds like a lose lose situation to me even with his defense

Joey Gallo vs RHP in 2022: .181/.307/.404 

AJ Pollock vs RHP in 2022: .218/.260/.303

.710 OPS for Gallo vs. .560 OPS for Pollock.  One is a great defender and a natural RF.  The other is an average at best LF and clearly so uncomfortable in RF they have to throw significantly worse defenders out there.  Then you also toss in the Pollock option for 23 meaning he's likely on this roster again eating $ and a corner OF spot.  

Gallo is definitely a better roster fit.  But yeah, both have been awful in 2022.  

Joey Gallo sucks. 

Gallo may thrive against the mediocre RHP that shuts the White Sox completely down.  Maybe, maybe not. 

21 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

Joey Gallo vs RHP in 2022: .181/.307/.404 

AJ Pollock vs RHP in 2022: .218/.260/.303

.710 OPS for Gallo vs. .560 OPS for Pollock.  One is a great defender and a natural RF.  The other is an average at best LF and clearly so uncomfortable in RF they have to throw significantly worse defenders out there.  Then you also toss in the Pollock option for 23 meaning he's likely on this roster again eating $ and a corner OF spot.  

Gallo is definitely a better roster fit.  But yeah, both have been awful in 2022.  

The potential extra year of Pollock + Yankees being heavily right-handed makes it seem like not a fit. Not a one-for-one deal anyway. 

7 minutes ago, ShoeLessRob said:

Joey Gallo sucks. 

Gallo sucks less vs RHP than Pollock.

My big concern is that TLR would run Gallo out there vs LHP even though that would be incredibly stupid.

7 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

The potential extra year of Pollock + Yankees being heavily right-handed makes it seem like not a fit. Not a one-for-one deal anyway. 

Yeah, its not likely to happen or anything.  But Yanks seem married to dumping Gallo and its not like anyone is going to give them an exciting prospect. 

1 hour ago, Kyyle23 said:

His best year was 2019, iirc he was fading hard when the Yankees got him and it never got better  

edit: yea his June was big and he fell off a cliff and July and really has been a .160 Hitter that only strikes out and occasionally hits a bomb since he became a yankee

 

Joey Gallo, 2019: .253, 22 HR, .986 OPS

Nomar Mazara, 2019: .268, 19 HR, .786 OPS

I don't know what was the in the water in Texas in 2019 but these guys have both cratered since then.

We've been down this road before with Mazara, no need to repeat ourselves.

 

19 hours ago, MiddleCoastBias said:

"all-in on returning to the playoffs" - who wrote this? This sounds like a line spoonfed by Hahn to a gullible writer that doesn't do any due diligence to look any of the recent moves this organization has made.

Seriously.  Every bit of the language is a comical level of front-office self-service.  "Premium players"; "all-in";  "returning" to the playoffs.  It might as well say "the White Sox are doing all they possibly can to bring about the exact thing you want, Mr. Fan.  No reason to be upset in this best of all possible worlds."

2 hours ago, Kyyle23 said:

I don't even really agree with that right now.   Taking a guy who is struggling in arguably the best offense in the league and dropping him on this team just sounds like a lose lose situation to me even with his defense

So you're saying Hahn is probably close to finalizing this trade then?