1 minute ago, maxjusttyped said:

Maybe this will finally be the year the Angels build a functional team around the 2 best baseball players on the planet.

I gotta say the fact that angels signed him makes me think he’ll be bad.

Just now, bmags said:

I gotta say the fact that angels signed him makes me think he’ll be bad.

Rendon (will likely get hurt), Urshela, Drury, Fletcher, Rengifo. Where they all playing?

Just now, Bob Sacamano said:

Rendon (will likely get hurt), Urshela, Drury, Fletcher, Rengifo. Where they all playing?

More players than spots is an awesome team building strategy. Build up enough depth and maybe even they can't screw it up.

3 minutes ago, bmags said:

I gotta say the fact that angels signed him makes me think he’ll be bad.

That's exactly how I felt about Tyler Anderson, lol. Everything they do to improve the team goes horribly wrong.

26 minutes ago, maxjusttyped said:

Drury would have been an awesome fit here.  Oh well.

I don't think it'll happen, but I'd love to see the Sox pick up Profar. He checks a ton of the same boxes.

Profar would be a nice addition, but I think he ends up getting more than Drury. He also doesn't really play 2B anymore. 

Edited December 21, 20223 yr by chw42

3 minutes ago, chw42 said:

Profar would be a nice addition, but I think he ends up getting more than Drury. He also doesn't really play 2B anymore. 

Don't you think that had more to do with the Padres being loaded with middle infield options than his inability to play 2B?

29 minutes ago, maxjusttyped said:

Maybe this will finally be the year the Angels build a functional team around the 2 best baseball players on the planet.

Do the Angels think he’s allowed to play at Great American Ballpark still? 

3 minutes ago, maxjusttyped said:

Don't you think that had more to do with the Padres being loaded with middle infield options than his inability to play 2B?

That and he was pretty awful at it when he was with Oakland in 2019. 

2 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

Do the Angels think he’s allowed to play at Great American Ballpark still? 

The barrel rate and max EV suggest Drury has above average power, but it's fair to wonder if he can sustain that.

Just now, chw42 said:

That and he was pretty awful at it when he was with Oakland in 2019. 

Those numbers look like a pretty huge outlier for the rest of his career. Maybe he lost so much athleticism he can't play the infield anymore, but I doubt it.

Just now, maxjusttyped said:

Those numbers look like a pretty huge outlier for the rest of his career. Maybe he lost so much athleticism he can't play the infield anymore, but I doubt it.

That's by far the largest sample in any season he's had at 2B. 

4 minutes ago, chw42 said:

That's by far the largest sample in any season he's had at 2B. 

UZR and OAA both had him ranging between average & slightly below average that year which checks out with the rest of his career. I just think that's putting too much weight on 1 season of DRS numbers.

1 minute ago, maxjusttyped said:

UZR and OAA both had him ranging between average & slightly below average that year which checks out with the rest of his career. I just think that's putting too much weight on 1 season of DRS numbers.

He had negative OAA numbers in very small samples. If you get him to play 2B in a more or less full-time role, my bet is that he's gonna be at least a -5 run defender there. 

1 minute ago, chw42 said:

He had negative OAA numbers in very small samples. If you get him to play 2B in a more or less full-time role, my bet is that he's gonna be at least a -5 run defender there. 

I agree with you but that's something I'd be willing to live with.

3 hours ago, Jack Parkman said:

I was just talking to a friend of mine about Javy Vazquez and Alex Rios. 

Sox Pitchers with 12 + bWAR over three consecutive Sox seasons and 12 + career Sox bWAR:

(Best three year stretch listed if player has multiple three year periods):

Twenty Seven White Sox Pitchers

Comiskey Park II (8 over 32 seasons)

• 18.3 Chris Sale (2012-2014)
• 16.7 John Danks (2008-2010)
• 15.8 Mark Buehrle (2007-2009)
• 14.0 Jack McDowell (1991-1993)
• 13.2 Alex Fernandez (1994-1996)
• 12.6 Jose Quintana (2014-2016)
• 12.2 Jon Garland (2005-2007)
• 12.1 Javier Vazquez (2006-2008)

Comiskey Park (17 over 81 seasons)

• 31.7 Ed Walsh (1910-1912)
• 30.0 Wilbur Wood (1971-1973)
• 26.7 Red Faber (1920-1922)
• 25.0 Eddie Cicotte (1917-1919)
• 19.2 Tommy Thomas (1927-1929)
• 18.3 Ted Lyons (1925-1927)
• 18.2 Billy Pierce (1951-1953)
• 16.6 Thornton Lee (1939-1941)
• 16.3 Tommy John (1968-1970)
• 15.8 Johnny Rigney (1938-1940)
• 15.3 Jim Katt (1973-1975)
• 14.9 Jim Scott (1913-1915)
• 13.4 Joe Horlen (1967-1969)
• 13.1 Eddie Smith (1939-1941)
• 12.9 Reb Russell (1913-1915)
• 12.8 Britt Burns (1980-1982)
• 12.2 Richard Dotson (1982-1984)

South Side Park III (2 over 9 seasons)

• 15.1 Doc White (1905-1907)
• 14.2 Frank Smith (1907-1909)

Wonder what Segura will get. If you can get him at 1/$10M or 1 year with an option, you do it right?

Edited December 21, 20223 yr by Bob Sacamano

36 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Wonder what Segura will get. If you can get him at 1/$10M or 1 year with an option, you do it right?

You'd think so, but who knows. With the budget still a huge question, and Hahn operating literally in the exact opposite manner that he said he would (FA vs. trades), I'm not I'd lean towards the Sox adding more FA.

13 hours ago, Pal said:

Don't think it effects a possible TA market either way. More so teams that could be in on Correa if he becomes available again. Mets wanted him for sure. Would need to definitely move some players to make it work. Longshot, but could be beneficial. 

Bump. 

14 hours ago, Timmy U said:

Leury can play shortstop.  

Leury can play anywhere according to TLR!

3 hours ago, Chimpton said:

Leury can play anywhere according to TLR!

“Play” vs play well?

I have a feeling Conforto's deal will be much lower than we are expecting given the wait.  Somewhere in the range of 10-12 mil. If so, I'd hope we'd be in on that conversation

Edited December 21, 20223 yr by Squirmin' for Yermin

11 hours ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said:

You'd think so, but who knows. With the budget still a huge question, and Hahn operating literally in the exact opposite manner that he said he would (FA vs. trades), I'm not I'd lean towards the Sox adding more FA.

The guy in the MLBTR chat yesterday predicted 2/$15M for Segura. I would hope that we would be able to add that if that's all he signed for. I would rather add now than try to make a trade for a need mid-season. I wish they could convince Jerry that if they spend a little more, they will be a better team and fans will want to come to the ballpark and spend money. 

I think that's a good bet re: segura. 

6 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

The guy in the MLBTR chat yesterday predicted 2/$15M for Segura. I would hope that we would be able to add that if that's all he signed for. I would rather add now than try to make a trade for a need mid-season. I wish they could convince Jerry that if they spend a little more, they will be a better team and fans will want to come to the ballpark and spend money. 

I’d suppose they could but then I bet you see a RP moved to offset the cost. We just don’t know where payroll is going to fall. Makes it hard to judge if they are still players in FA.

Id rather have Guillorme for ReyLo straight up if NYM would go for that than signing Segura. The value is about equal.