Heads22 Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grinder Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 Garbage in garbage out Im being hard on Kelly but couldnt resist 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kids Can Play Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 10 minutes ago, The Grinder said: Garbage in garbage out Im being hard on Kelly but couldnt resist However it was appropriate for Shaw and the good news is, there are plenty of garbage pitchers like Shaw's left in the minors to bring up. So yes, the Sox farm system of garbage in, garbage out will continue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 Bryan Shaw, we hardly knew why ye were on the roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 If we keep eliminating negative fWAR contributors...either will make progress eventually, or simply have a roster of just a handful of 5-7 players remaining. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 19 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: If we keep eliminating negative fWAR contributors...either will make progress eventually, or simply have a roster of just a handful of 5-7 players remaining. I almost posted the same thing last night in the trades thread. The utterly crazy thing is if we trade guys having horrible years like Lynn and Anderson we actually done even have replacement level players for them anywhere in the minors. Just an incredible indictment of Hahn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOFHurt35 Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 Titanic deck chairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 Hope Kelly gets a couple solid outings in and he’a moved at the deadline 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurtCG Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 32 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Hope Kelly gets a couple solid outings in and he’a moved at the deadline Kelly has little to zero value. Dude is an expensive and bad reliever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 47 minutes ago, LittleHurtCG said: Kelly has little to zero value. Dude is an expensive and bad reliever. Gotta disagree here…I think he will probably be a popular target for many teams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 17 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Gotta disagree here…I think he will probably be a popular target for many teams. This Nothing major returning, but Jerry will appreciate the $3M plus $1M buyout off his ledger. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/07/white-sox-activate-joe-kelly-designate-bryan-shaw-for-assignment.html Quote Kelly’s bottom-line numbers haven’t been nearly as good as his secondary stats would indicate. The reliever’s 4.82 ERA is almost a full two runs higher than his SIERA, and Kelly also has only a 56.6% strand rate, while a .319 BABIP has somewhat counteracted his success at keeping the ball on the ground. Still, opposing teams are very aware of Kelly’s advanced metrics, so the White Sox figure to draw some attention from bullpen-needy clubs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry McNertney Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 In his two years with the White Sox, Kelly has pitched in 72 games with a combined ERA of 5.54. He's been a $9 million a season failure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, Jerry McNertney said: In his two years with the White Sox, Kelly has pitched in 72 games with a combined ERA of 5.54. He's been a $9 million a season failure. Once healthy, he pitched well overall. ERA vs. FIP 2022 6.08 ERA vs. 3.06 FIP 2023 4.82 ERA vs. 3.21 FIP FIP -- Fielding Independent Pitching This stat measures a pitcher's effectiveness at preventing HR, BB, HBP and causing SO (13*HR + 3*(BB+HBP) - 2*SO)/IP + Constantlg The constant is set so that each season major-league average FIP is the same as the major-league avg ERA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 2 hours ago, chitownsportsfan said: I almost posted the same thing last night in the trades thread. The utterly crazy thing is if we trade guys having horrible years like Lynn and Anderson we actually done even have replacement level players for them anywhere in the minors. Just an incredible indictment of Hahn. Remillard in RF has to be one of the most insane roster examples...ofc he made an important error playing there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 8 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said: Once healthy, he pitched well overall. ERA vs. FIP 2022 6.08 ERA vs. 3.06 FIP 2023 4.82 ERA vs. 3.21 FIP FIP -- Fielding Independent Pitching This stat measures a pitcher's effectiveness at preventing HR, BB, HBP and causing SO (13*HR + 3*(BB+HBP) - 2*SO)/IP + Constantlg The constant is set so that each season major-league average FIP is the same as the major-league avg ERA. "Therein lies the rub" as Shakespeare once wrote "once healthy" He's spent a considerable amount of time of the IL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 5 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: "Therein lies the rub" as Shakespeare once wrote "once healthy" He's spent a considerable amount of time of the IL. He was out most of the first 59 games last season, but has been active all but 27 games since. If he pitches well this week and has clean medical records, teams won’t have concerns. 2022: Missed games 1-27 & 44-59. 2023: Missed Games 10-25 & 87-99. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 28 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said: He was out most of the first 59 games last season, but has been active all but 27 games since. If he pitches well this week and has clean medical records, teams won’t have concerns. 2022: Missed games 1-27 & 44-59. 2023: Missed Games 10-25 & 87-99. Send that to the same marketing team that made the PPT presentations for Harper and Machado...they haven't been busy. Benintendi signing was one of the quietest this entire offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Send that to the same marketing team that made the PPT presentations for Harper and Machado...they haven't been busy. Hard pass on both $300M + contracts unless a team is committed Top 5 $250M- $300M payroll each season, which the White Sox clearly aren't. 2023 fWAR 2.2 Machado 0.9 Harper 0.5 Joe Kelly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 Just in time for the trade deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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