Fire Chris Getz

[spiderman]

2 minutes ago, Rocky said:

You literally gave Getz a B grade because at least they didnt set the loss record again. Did they make progress? Technically, yes. I am excited about some of the young guys on the team but still upset about the overall lack of results and accountability in the entire organization. We deserve and should demand better! 

This is more of an organizational issue than Getz. If the team won't spend money in free agents, pay pitchers, etc. Getz is always going to be limited in how he can build a team. His most logical bet of sustained success is to build a minor league system with depth. They have a ways to go, but have made progress here. It wasn't long ago that they had only 5 starters in the majors with nothing behind them. They now have 10-12 options, but questions around the top end of the rotation. Offensively, they got positive contributions from their young talent. They don't have enough and it's not realistic to assume that they can do this without supplementing with major league free agents. Getz can do a great job in drafting or trading for young players, but if he can't keep them or can't add to it, he'll just be in a rebuild every 3-4 years.

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

https://bloggingtheredsox.com/2025/09/04/red-sox-yhoiker-fajardo-named-carolina-league-pitcher-of-the-month-for-august/

Not sure how I missed this, but love giving this guy up so we could have the pleasure of owning Cam Booser and his 6.5+ ERA as a 33+ year old. 

Another example of Getz at his finest.

[southsider2k5]

5 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

1) I don't think a "window" is a goal. A continuous flow of prospects is. Billy Carlson and 2026's 1st rounder probably don't hit the majors for good until 2029. 
2) I don't see Sosa and Vargas as being part of a core unless they seriously step up their production (.850 OPS). Vargas is a nice place-holder, where if he stays at 3B and hits a little more consistently, he can be a 3 WAR player. If they can't replace Sosa's 101 OPS+ in the next 3 seasons, this team has bigger problems than a small window of contention. 

You say this about Sosa, but can you actually name the last time a White Sox 2B played more than half a season at 2B and had a 101+ OPS or greater?

It took me a while to find, but it was Alexei Ramirez in 2008.

[DoUEvenShift]

17 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

You say this about Sosa, but can you actually name the last time a White Sox 2B played more than half a season at 2B and had a 101+ OPS or greater?

I looked earlier in the season cause I was scratching my head as well. Last time we had a consistent 101+ window at 2B was Durham ~1998-2002

[WestEddy]

32 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

You say this about Sosa, but can you actually name the last time a White Sox 2B played more than half a season at 2B and had a 101+ OPS or greater?

 

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It took me a while to find, but it was Alexei Ramirez in 2008.

 

I would say that outside of Brett Lawrie, they never actually tried since to fill the position. Moncada and Madrigal were intended but got injured/were moved to 3B. 

I would think they'll have a little better hit percentage with the way they're targeting SSs in the draft. 

[WestEddy]

17 minutes ago, DoUEvenShift said:

I looked earlier in the season cause I was scratching my head as well. Last time we had a consistent 101+ window at 2B was Durham ~1998-2002

I have faith that Getz wouldn't run his own version of Gordon Beckham out there 5 years in a row. 

[southsider2k5]

10 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

I have faith that Getz wouldn't run his own version of Gordon Beckham out there 5 years in a row. 

He's looked like he'd run 27 different version of Gordon Beckham out there over 5 years.

[T R U]

1 hour ago, WestEddy said:

1) I don't think a "window" is a goal. A continuous flow of prospects is. Billy Carlson and 2026's 1st rounder probably don't hit the majors for good until 2029. 
2) I don't see Sosa and Vargas as being part of a core unless they seriously step up their production (.850 OPS). Vargas is a nice place-holder, where if he stays at 3B and hits a little more consistently, he can be a 3 WAR player. If they can't replace Sosa's 101 OPS+ in the next 3 seasons, this team has bigger problems than a small window of contention. 

Great post, especially bullet #2. Im pretty sure Lenyn Sosa is the greatest 1 war player in White Sox history at this point.

[wegner]

1 hour ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

https://bloggingtheredsox.com/2025/09/04/red-sox-yhoiker-fajardo-named-carolina-league-pitcher-of-the-month-for-august/

Not sure how I missed this, but love giving this guy up so we could have the pleasure of owning Cam Booser and his 6.5+ ERA as a 33+ year old. 

Another example of Getz at his finest.

I also missed that one. I figured Booser was just an awful free agent who had been bouncing around the Mexican league. We gave up a young arm for him?? That 's pretty bad.

[chitownsportsfan]

56 minutes ago, T R U said:

Great post, especially bullet #2. Im pretty sure Lenyn Sosa is the greatest 1 war player in White Sox history at this point.

1 WAR players have a place on every roster, especially those that can play a passable 2B on league min. The problem isn't Sosa it's finding better players of course around him.

In my lifetime the Sox have had a lot of horrible 2B. The best was Durham, Tadihito was solid. Beckham stunk, Sanchez was overmatched as a regular, and so on. Sosa just being youngish cheap and decent is fine.

@wegner that trade was horrific the second it was announced. horrible thought process to think oh yea just throw away a lotto ticket (or maybe like a stock option) in order to what exactly? eat 50 innings out of the bullpen? in a year you're losing 100+?

Edited September 29 by chitownsportsfan

[WhiteSox2023]

30 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

1 WAR players have a place on every roster, especially those that can play a passable 2B on league min. The problem isn't Sosa it's finding better players of course around him.

In my lifetime the Sox have had a lot of horrible 2B. The best was Durham, Tadihito was solid. Beckham stunk, Sanchez was overmatched as a regular, and so on. Sosa just being youngish cheap and decent is fine.

@wegner that trade was horrific the second it was announced. horrible thought process to think oh yea just throw away a lotto ticket (or maybe like a stock option) in order to what exactly? eat 50 innings out of the bullpen? in a year you're losing 100+?

Yep.  Getz traded a young prospect for a 33 year old lefty that had one fluky good season in the majors.  The warning signs were already there — he walks too many batters.  What a horribly worthless trade.  Boston ate his lunch on that trade.

[T R U]

4 hours ago, chitownsportsfan said:

1 WAR players have a place on every roster, especially those that can play a passable 2B on league min. The problem isn't Sosa it's finding better players of course around him.

In my lifetime the Sox have had a lot of horrible 2B. The best was Durham, Tadihito was solid. Beckham stunk, Sanchez was overmatched as a regular, and so on. Sosa just being youngish cheap and decent is fine.

@wegner that trade was horrific the second it was announced. horrible thought process to think oh yea just throw away a lotto ticket (or maybe like a stock option) in order to what exactly? eat 50 innings out of the bullpen? in a year you're losing 100+?

What in the world? Lenyn Sosa was literally the least valuable regular on this roster, what do you mean find better players around him? He is the bad player lol. 

[caulfield12]

4 hours ago, wegner said:

I also missed that one. I figured Booser was just an awful free agent who had been bouncing around the Mexican league. We gave up a young arm for him?? That 's pretty bad.

Don't look up Yhoiker Fajardo's season progression from last year lol.

[Tomas]

Getz should have been fired after the last game.  60 win  seasons should not be tolerated. 

[caulfield12]

19 hours ago, T R U said:

Great post, especially bullet #2. Im pretty sure Lenyn Sosa is the greatest 1 war player in White Sox history at this point.

That's a massive projected jump from low 1s to 3 for Vargas...

Same with Quero Baldwin and Sosa.

And for all the Meidroth hype and that relatively hot bat in September, he only finished at 1.3 fWAR.

Mead is almost not worth mentioning.

Edited September 30 by caulfield12

[WestEddy]

7 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

That's a massive projected jump from low 1s to 3 for Vargas...

Same with Quero Baldwin and Sosa.

And for all the Meidroth hype and that relatively hot bat in September, he only finished at 1.3 fWAR.

Mead is almost not worth mentioning.

Vargas got dinged a bit switching back and forth between 1B and 3B. I believe his bat plays better at 3B, his mitt at 1B. He seems like a gamer, and coachable. If he picks his 3B defense up a bit and irons out the rough offensive patches, I don't see an issue jumping from 1.8 bWAR to an average-above-average producer. 

[caulfield12]

1 hour ago, WestEddy said:

Vargas got dinged a bit switching back and forth between 1B and 3B. I believe his bat plays better at 3B, his mitt at 1B. He seems like a gamer, and coachable. If he picks his 3B defense up a bit and irons out the rough offensive patches, I don't see an issue jumping from 1.8 bWAR to an average-above-average producer. 

As always, the problem is expecting 3-4 players to improve by 1-2 war while not expecting anything but better numbers from Colson and Teel.

[WestEddy]

2 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

As always, the problem is expecting 3-4 players to improve by 1-2 war while not expecting anything but better numbers from Colson and Teel.

Miguel Vargas is one player. As players adjust to the bigs, they either get better, or younger players bump them. I understand being glum about White Sox prospects. It's kind of unreasonable to expect every Sox fan to be negative about every aspect of every player's games. 

[caulfield12]

12 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Miguel Vargas is one player. As players adjust to the bigs, they either get better, or younger players bump them. I understand being glum about White Sox prospects. It's kind of unreasonable to expect every Sox fan to be negative about every aspect of every player's games. 

Have you been a Sox fan for over fifty years?

This is most definitely a "prove it/show me" organization.

If you told me the Sox were going to spend money in the off season like the Royals two years ago, the outlook would be decidedly more positive.

It's not like wishing and hoping and praying and being optimistic will get all these players to make dramatic improvements.  But sure, knock yourself out.

And then you still have Benintendi around for two years, Luis Robert and God knows what in RF.

At best, a 2/3 starter in Shane Smith and 3/4 in Martin.  Us anyone really counting on Gomez or Burke as a #3 starter next year?

Smith and Schultz are at a minumum 3-4 months into 2026 additions.

And still massive holes in the bullpen...

 

In the end, everyone will simply argue Getz didn't have all the financial resources he needed to supplement the "core" group of Colson Teel and Braden.

Edited September 30 by caulfield12

[WestEddy]

4 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Have you been a Sox fan for over fifty years?

This is most definitely a "prove it/show me" organization.

If you told me the Sox were going to spend money in the off season like the Royals two years ago, the outlook would be decidedly more positive.

It's not like wishing and hoping will get all these players to make big improvements.

And then you still have Benintendi around for two years, Luis Robert and God knows what in RF.

At best, a 2/3 starter in Shane Smith and 3/4 in Martin.  Us anyone really counting on Gomez or Burke as a #3 starter next year?

Smith and Schultz are at a minumum 3-4 months into 2026 additions.

And still massive holes in the bullpen...

Yes. 50+ years. Feel how you want, and I'll feel how I want. There is no "problem" in what I'm expecting or wishing and hoping for. There is an entire realm of possibilities for next season and beyond that stretches from negative to positive. The positive isn't exclusively fanciful, and the negative isn't exclusively sage. 

[Dick Allen]

21 hours ago, wegner said:

I also missed that one. I figured Booser was just an awful free agent who had been bouncing around the Mexican league. We gave up a young arm for him?? That 's pretty bad.

After he was DFA'd by the BoSox.

[caulfield12]

6 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

After he was DFA'd by the BoSox.

"With Aroldis Chapman and Justin Wilson already added to the bullpen from the left side in Boston and Brennan Bernadino in the fold as a more established lefty option as well, Booser had become somewhat expendable for the Red Sox."

He was expected to be cut coming into the season...not unlike how the Sox picked up Damaso Marte from the Pirates way back when.

 

[wegner]

8 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

After he was DFA'd by the BoSox.

This is getting worser and worser

[caulfield12]

23 minutes ago, wegner said:

This is getting worser and worser

Just made no sense to project an inexperienced future 35-37 year old reliever into the 2028-29 contention window.

[FloydBannister1983]

2 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

2028-29 contention window.

Wait, what?