7 hours ago, bmags said:

I didn't think Getz was destined to fail until the press conference. Being adament that he was hired to win now, but that they'll spend but not on the high end of the market...

I don't see anyway that works and worry we trade out the prospect depth that we may get lucky on for some bad vet plays.

It depends what "high" means.  The pitching staff needs addressing and the Sox need several #2 type starters. Hopefully not starters who are #4-5 starters looking to rebound after being released somewhere else. We also need some everyday FA  players in their prime who are looking for a new home. We should know how the team is going as the roster is constructed this fall. If it is the "same old tired faces" in next year's lineup we are screwed.   

we all knew in our hearts nothing was going to change.

 

Have to keep things in the family... even with mostly failure and and incompetence for the past 30 years.

joke of an organization

AJ Pierzynski offers critical take on White Sox GM hire (larrybrownsports.com)

22 minutes ago, harkness99 said:

AJ Pierzynski offers critical take on White Sox GM hire (larrybrownsports.com)

He is on point 

1 hour ago, harkness99 said:

we all knew in our hearts nothing was going to change.

 

Have to keep things in the family... even with mostly failure and and incompetence for the past 30 years.

joke of an organization

my interest in this organization is going to change.

1 hour ago, SCCWS said:

It depends what "high" means.  The pitching staff needs addressing and the Sox need several #2 type starters. Hopefully not starters who are #4-5 starters looking to rebound after being released somewhere else. We also need some everyday FA  players in their prime who are looking for a new home. We should know how the team is going as the roster is constructed this fall. If it is the "same old tired faces" in next year's lineup we are screwed.   

I count over $100 million committed assuming they let Hendriks go, let Clevinger go, with a little variance based on arb numbers. That goes over $120 million committed if they trade for Perez.

If payroll stays constant, they’d have around $50 million for the rest of the roster. Assume Giolito is out because he’s a public union rep, assume no Stroman, but two of that level and one or two relievers fits that money. Cease, Eduardo Rodriguez, Jordan Montgomery, Michael Kopech, Toussaint/Scholtens for your rotation? (Toussaint is arb 1 so He’s iffy). Then a little money left for some utility guys and bullpen depth. Or you could do one of those guys and a Hader.

If there’s a payroll cut, which is possible given the likelihood of a stadium record low attendance next year, maybe less?

Can't there just be a glimmer of hope they're not dumb enough to trade for what's left of Salvy Perez?

6 minutes ago, Timmy U said:

Can't there just be a glimmer of hope they're not dumb enough to trade for what's left of Salvy Perez?

I’m expecting Nightengale to tweet it in a few minutes just because you asked.

14 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

I’m expecting Nightengale to tweet it in a few minutes just because you asked.

Yeah, I honestly expect the Sox to pursue him. 

Edited September 2, 20232 yr by ron883

34 minutes ago, Timmy U said:

Can't there just be a glimmer of hope they're not dumb enough to trade for what's left of Salvy Perez?

It sounds like they tried trading for him at the deadline, but couldn’t agree on prospects.  This reeks of the Lance situation where we ending trading for the following winter, but in this case Salvy is no longer a useful player.

6 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

It sounds like they tried trading for him at the deadline, but couldn’t agree on prospects.  This reeks of the Lance situation where we ending trading for the following winter, but in this case Salvy is no longer a useful player.

I will repeat Todd Frazier as a comparable reference.

1 hour ago, Balta1701 said:

I count over $100 million committed assuming they let Hendriks go, let Clevinger go, with a little variance based on arb numbers. That goes over $120 million committed if they trade for Perez.

If payroll stays constant, they’d have around $50 million for the rest of the roster. Assume Giolito is out because he’s a public union rep, assume no Stroman, but two of that level and one or two relievers fits that money. Cease, Eduardo Rodriguez, Jordan Montgomery, Michael Kopech, Toussaint/Scholtens for your rotation? (Toussaint is arb 1 so He’s iffy). Then a little money left for some utility guys and bullpen depth. Or you could do one of those guys and a Hader.

If there’s a payroll cut, which is possible given the likelihood of a stadium record low attendance next year, maybe less?

Why would Hader sign with a team that would give him the least amount of save opportunities?

They’re not going to outpace the big spenders for yet another so-called elite reliever this offseason when it makes almost no sense…even to. The most optimistic season ticket holders.

9 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Why would Hader sign with a team that would give him the least amount of save opportunities?

They’re not going to outpace the big spenders for yet another so-called elite reliever this offseason when it makes almost no sense…even to. The most optimistic season ticket holders.

Because very few teams give big reliever contracts as consistently as the white Sox.

3 hours ago, Balta1701 said:

Because very few teams give big reliever contracts as consistently as the white Sox.

Robertson and Hendriks isn’t a Sox thing…it’s Hahn.

KW only did it for one season when he brought in Billy Koch and it exploded in his face.

 

When those KC pens with Holland Davis Escobar started to get increasingly expensive…that’s when their competitive advantage was lost.

Chicagoland saw that firsthand with Davis/Soler and then Escobar years too late with the Sox.

Edited September 2, 20232 yr by caulfield12

Luis Curbelo apparently not a Chris Getz fan

 

23 hours ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

Changes to scouting, PD, etc are coming. 

Yes Jerry talked about adding scouts that had been fired by other organizations as those orgs move to analytics  "But that's Chris' call."

Can Getz at least dispatch Hahn footmen like Hostetler and "Moneyball" Haber?

In case you want to get tilted on this lovely Saturday.

Edited September 2, 20232 yr by DirtySox

If anyone happened to be willing to message me with the part of this Rosenthal article on the White Sox and their opposition to diversity I’d appreciate it.

2 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

If anyone happened to be willing to message me with the part of this Rosenthal article on the White Sox and their opposition to diversity I’d appreciate it.

Quote

Two executives from diverse backgrounds reached out to me Thursday shortly after the White Sox announced their promotion of Chris Getz from farm director to general manager. Both posed essentially the same question: Did the White Sox interview a diverse group of candidates?

The answer is no.

After firing executive vice-president Ken Williams, a Black exec who had been a principal decision-maker in the organization since 2000, and general manager Rick Hahn, who like Getz, is White, and had been in his role since 2012, they did not interview any outside candidates at all.

The White Sox did not violate Major League Baseball’s requirements for diverse hiring. Owner Jerry Reinsdorf has what MLB considers a strong track record with high-profile hires in this area; the team, for example, has employed a manager from a diverse group in 21 of the past 26 seasons.

But the two executives from underrepresented backgrounds, who were granted anonymity in exchange for their candid thoughts, questioned the fairness of the team’s process. One called it a “complete inside job,” adding, “People should feel access to every role of prominence.”

Reinsdorf told reporters that he “owed it to the fans” to improve the team as quickly as possible and that an outside candidate would need a year to evaluate everyone in the organization. And commissioner Rob Manfred, in a memo distributed annually to high-ranking club officials, addresses the sometimes difficult balance clubs face when deciding whether to hire diverse candidates or promote from within.

The memo says, in part:

“We recognize that providing internal career paths for employees is an important characteristic of many successful organizations, and that clubs normally do not undertake an external or internal interview process prior to making a promotion decision. We also recognize that requiring a ‘sham’ interview undercuts the intent of our policy when a club has already determined to promote an internal candidate who has been groomed for the position. That being said, a club’s policy or practice of promoting from within can impede progress in diversifying our leadership ranks if a club does not have a sufficient number of diverse employees already in its pipeline who are being groomed for leadership positions.”

In an attempt to address both considerations, Manfred maintains a series of requirements when a team wants to promote a White male to a senior baseball operations position without conducting an external or internal interview process.

The club must inform the commissioner’s office of the internal promotion and rationale for not conducting interviews, and also provide the office with a succession plan for all of the club’s senior baseball operations positions. That succession plan must include individuals from underrepresented groups for future leadership roles.

Manfred’s “expectation,” when a White male is promoted to a senior baseball operations position, is that a person from an underrepresented background will be promoted or hired to the vacancy created by the promotion. After reviewing the club’s plan, the league will decide whether to exempt the club from the diversity interview requirement for an internal promotion.

The White Sox received that exemption. To adhere to Manfred’s requirements, they likely will need to hire a farm director who is a woman or person of color to replace Getz, and/or candidates from underrepresented groups to other senior baseball operations positions. Again, the team maintains a strong track record in making such hires. That doesn’t mean that when hiring a GM, they should have been allowed to conduct a closed process.

 

Edited September 2, 20232 yr by DirtySox

24 minutes ago, DirtySox said:

In case you want to get tilted on this lovely Saturday.

Chris was the ideal candidate. He was the only one willing to take a pay cut to further sully his meh reputation. ? 

James retweeted this.

 

1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Luis Curbelo apparently not a Chris Getz fan

 

"There's no one that understands this organization better than I do..."

 

Edited September 2, 20232 yr by caulfield12

12 minutes ago, DirtySox said:

James retweeted this.

 

 

 

11 minutes ago, DirtySox said:

 

 

Of course why would anyone so well-qualified want to work under Chris Getz unless they doubled his current salary...which the White Sox are not exactly known for being generous with front office and managerial salaries (except TLR's second go-round).

But it's Bob Nightengale, and a move like that would be bigger than firing Grifol Katz and Boston...

Edited September 2, 20232 yr by caulfield12

1 hour ago, DirtySox said:

In case you want to get tilted on this lovely Saturday.

Typical Bruce defending Jerry for being out on Ohtani and not signing players to over 100m. Saying spending like that doesn't help you win.

Said how the past couple years that fingers have been pointed at the coaches and now upper management, when they should have been pointed at the players. 

Apparently we haven't been blaming the players enough? The poor front office, being blamed for putting together this awful team. What a piece of s%*#. 

Edited September 2, 20232 yr by ron883