December 25, 20232 yr Early projections for this year's vote could have him dropped off the ballot. This story makes the case for him: https://www.mlb.com/news/mark-buehrle-hall-of-fame-case
December 25, 20232 yr I think he has a case but feels to me on the cusp like Cone, Tiant, Schilling (not on the cusp, should clearly be in, but unpopular), Kevin Brown, Saberhagen. I think if Mark pitched 3 or 4 more years, his case would look a lot stronger.
December 25, 20232 yr World Series ring, perfect game, and a no hitter are all some of the highest feats a pitcher can reach. Along with his lengthy streak of 200 inning seasons, or whatever that was. Hall of Very Good, absolutely. Very very good. Hall of Fame? I don't know. While I think he's deserving, I wouldn't call it a travesty if he doesn't make it in.
December 25, 20232 yr 38 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: World Series ring, perfect game, and a no hitter are all some of the highest feats a pitcher can reach. Along with his lengthy streak of 200 inning seasons, or whatever that was. Hall of Very Good, absolutely. Very very good. Hall of Fame? I don't know. While I think he's deserving, I wouldn't call it a travesty if he doesn't make it in. First Billy Pierce then Buerhle and I also think Paul Konerko is deserving.
December 25, 20232 yr Author 1 hour ago, The Mighty Mite said: First Billy Pierce then Buerhle and I also think Paul Konerko is deserving. Don't forget Dick Allen and Tommy John.
December 25, 20232 yr He’d be a shoo-in if he stuck around a few more years, which he easily could have. He made his choice (which I admire) to leave the game early and focus on other things. The only way he’ll get in would be the player votes, whatever they call it.
December 25, 20232 yr He and Pettite are basically the same. Pettite with more wins but had much better teams around him and also PEDs. Buehrle had better ERA and WHIP. Slightly higher WAR. Yet being a yankee will most likely give him an advantage.
December 25, 20232 yr The silliest part of all of this is that if he doesn't let Sosa reach first, he probably gets another 20% of the vote
December 26, 20232 yr 6 hours ago, The Mighty Mite said: First Billy Pierce then Buerhle and I also think Paul Konerko is deserving. Not in that generation of players...the offensive numbers were just so off the charts, and the fact that he was just an average defender (minus range, but great at scoops out of the dirt) and kind of fell completely apart there at the end of his career. Like Buehrle, very good but not quite great.
December 26, 20232 yr Very good pitcher, intangibles better than overall career. Several other very good pitchers are above and below him in the Jaws rankings, few of which are in the HOF, non of which should be in. Sox HOF, Yes. BBHOF, No. https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/jaws_P.shtml
December 26, 20232 yr For what it's worth, I think any discussion about Mark Buehrle should include this article. https://grantland.com/features/mark-buehrle-surprising-success/
December 26, 20232 yr 11 hours ago, caulfield12 said: Not in that generation of players...the offensive numbers were just so off the charts, and the fact that he was just an average defender (minus range, but great at scoops out of the dirt) and kind of fell completely apart there at the end of his career. Like Buehrle, very good but not quite great. If Ron Santo made it, Konerko should also be in. Paulie has better numbers than Santo in all offensive categories, Santo was a better third baseman than Paulie was a first baseman but PK wasn’t exactly chopped liver at first base. Edited December 26, 20232 yr by The Mighty Mite
December 26, 20232 yr 32 minutes ago, The Mighty Mite said: If Ron Santo made it, Konerko should also be in. Paulie has better numbers than Santo in all offensive categories, Santo was a better third baseman than Paulie was a first base but PK wasn’t chopped liver. Santo shouldn't be in the HOF. When he retired after his last awful season with the White Sox, did anybody seriously think he would be in the HOF. The only positive thing about his HOF induction was he didn't live to see it.
December 26, 20232 yr In: Catcher (14) J. Bench, Y. Berra, R. Campanella, G. Carter, M. Cochrane, B. Dickey, B. Ewing, C. Fisk, J. Gibson, G. Hartnett, B. Mackey, J. Mauer, M. Piazza, I. Rodriguez First Base (22) C. Anson, J. Bagwell, D. Brouthers, M. Cabrera, R. Connor, J. Foxx, L. Gehrig, H. Greenberg, T. Helton, H. Killebrew, B. Leonard, W. McCovey, J. Mize, E. Murray, B. O'Neil, R. Palmeiro, G. Sisler, M. Suttles, B. Terry, F. Thomas, J. Thome, J. Votto Second Base (15) R. Alomar, C. Biggio, R. Cano, R. Carew, E. Collins, B. Doerr, N. Fox, F. Frisch, C. Gehringer, B. Grich, R. Hornsby, N. Lajoie, J. Robinson, R. Sandberg, L. Whitaker Third Base (17) H. R. Baker, A. Beltre, W. Boggs, G. Brett, J. Collins, R. Dandridge, J. Johnson, C. Jones, E. Martinez, E. Matthews, P. Molitor, G. Nettles, B. Robinson, S. Rolen, R. Santo, M. Schmidt, P. Traynor Shortstop (22) L. Aparicio, L. Appling, E. Banks, L. Boudreau, J. Cronin, B. Dahlen, G. Davis, M. Dighigo, J. Glasscock, H. Jennings, D. Jeter, B. Larkin, P. W. Reese, C. Ripken Jr., O. Smith, A. Trammell, A. Vaughn, H. Wagner, B. Wallace, W. Wells, G. Wright, R. Yount, Left Field (22) B. Bonds, J. Burkett, F. Clarke, E. Delahanty, G. Goslin, R. Henderson, M. Irvin, J. Kelley, R. Kiner, S. Magee, J. Medwick, M. Minoso, J. O'Rourke, T. Raines, J. Rice, P. Rose, A. Simmons, W. Stargell, Z. Wheat, B. Williams, T. Williams, C. Yastrzemski Center Field (20) R. Ashburn, C. Beltran, M. Carey, O. Charleston, T. Cobb, A. Dawson, J. DiMaggio, L. Doby, H. Duffy, K. Griffey Jr., B. Hamilton, A. Jones, K. Lofton, M. Mantle, W. Mays, K. Puckett, D. Snider, T. Speaker, T. Stearnes, M. Trout Right Field (20) H. Aaron, M. Betts, R. Clemente, S. Crawford, V. Guerrero, T. Gwynn, H. Heilmann, J. Jackson, R. Jackson, A. Kaline, W. Keeler, K. Kelly, S. Musial, M. Ott, F. Robinson, B. Ruth, I. Suzuki, L. Walker, P. Waner, D. Winfield Starting Pitcher (59) G. Alexander, B. Blyleven, R. Brown, J. Bunning, S. Carlton, J. Clarkson, R. Clemens, D. Dean, D. Drysdale, B. Feller, W. Ford, B. Foster, B. Gibson, T. Glavine, Z. Greinke, L. Grove, R. Halladay, C. Hubbell, C. Hunter, F. Jenkins, R. Johnson, W. Johnson, T. Keefe, C. Kershaw, S. Koufax, B. Lemon, T. Lyons, G. Maddux, J. Marichal, P. Martinez, C. Mathewson, M. Mussina, H. Newhouser, K. Nichols, P. Niekro, S. Paige, J. Palmer, H. Pennock, G. Perry, E. Plank, O. H. Radbourn, R. Roberts, B. Rogan, R. Ruffing, N. Ryan, C. C. Sabathia, M. Scherzer, C. Schilling, T. Seaver, H. Smith, J. Smoltz, W. Spahn, D. Sutton, D. Vance, J. Verlander, R. Waddell, E. Walsh, E. Wynn, C. Young, Relief Pitcher (5) D. Eckersley, G. Gossage, T. Hoffman, M. Rivera, H. Wilhelm Out: Catcher (6) R. Bresnahan, R. Ferrell, E. Lombardi, W. Robertson, L. Santop, R. Schalk, T. Simmons First Base (11) J. Beckley, J. Bottomley, O. Cepeda, F. Chance, G. Hodges, G. Kelly, F. McGriff, D. Ortiz, T. Perez, B. Taylor, J. Wilson Second Base (7) J. Evers, J. Gordon, B. Herman, T. Lazzeri, B. Mazeroski, B. McPhee, R. Schoendienst Third Base (4) G. Kell, F. Lindstrom, B. McKechnie, D. White Shortstop (6) D. Bancroft, T. Jackson, R. Maranville, P. Rizzuto, J. Sewell, J. Tinker Left Field (2) C. Hafey, H. Manusch Center Field (4) E. Averill, E. Combs, E. Roush, H. Wilson Right Field (12) H. Baines, K. Cuyler, E. Flick, H. Hooper, C. Klein, T. McCarthy, T. Oliva, E. Slaugher, S. Rice, B. Southworth, S. Thompson, R. Youngs Starting Pitcher (22) C. Bender, M. Brown, J. Chesbro, A. Cooper, S. Coveleski, C. Cummings, R. Feber, P. Galvin, L. Gomez, B. Grimes, J. Haines, W. Hoyt, A. Joss, J. Kaat, R. Marquard, J. McGinnity, J. Morris, A. Spalding, E. Rixey, A. Rusie, M. Welch, V. Willis Relief Pitcher (3) R. Fingers, L. Smith, B. Suter
December 26, 20232 yr 7 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said: In: Catcher (14) J. Bench, Y. Berra, R. Campanella, G. Carter, M. Cochrane, B. Dickey, B. Ewing, C. Fisk, J. Gibson, G. Hartnett, B. Mackey, J. Mauer, M. Piazza, I. Rodriguez First Base (22) C. Anson, J. Bagwell, D. Brouthers, M. Cabrera, R. Connor, J. Foxx, L. Gehrig, H. Greenberg, T. Helton, H. Killebrew, B. Leonard, W. McCovey, J. Mize, E. Murray, B. O'Neil, R. Palmeiro, G. Sisler, M. Suttles, B. Terry, F. Thomas, J. Thome, J. Votto Second Base (15) R. Alomar, C. Biggio, R. Cano, R. Carew, E. Collins, B. Doerr, N. Fox, F. Frisch, C. Gehringer, B. Grich, R. Hornsby, N. Lajoie, J. Robinson, R. Sandberg, L. Whitaker Third Base (17) H. R. Baker, A. Beltre, W. Boggs, G. Brett, J. Collins, R. Dandridge, J. Johnson, C. Jones, E. Martinez, E. Matthews, P. Molitor, G. Nettles, B. Robinson, S. Rolen, R. Santo, M. Schmidt, P. Traynor Shortstop (22) L. Aparicio, L. Appling, E. Banks, L. Boudreau, J. Cronin, B. Dahlen, G. Davis, M. Dighigo, J. Glasscock, H. Jennings, D. Jeter, B. Larkin, P. W. Reese, C. Ripken Jr., O. Smith, A. Trammell, A. Vaughn, H. Wagner, B. Wallace, W. Wells, G. Wright, R. Yount, Left Field (22) B. Bonds, J. Burkett, F. Clarke, E. Delahanty, G. Goslin, R. Henderson, M. Irvin, J. Kelley, R. Kiner, S. Magee, J. Medwick, M. Minoso, J. O'Rourke, T. Raines, J. Rice, P. Rose, A. Simmons, W. Stargell, Z. Wheat, B. Williams, T. Williams, C. Yastrzemski Center Field (20) R. Ashburn, C. Beltran, M. Carey, O. Charleston, T. Cobb, A. Dawson, J. DiMaggio, L. Doby, H. Duffy, K. Griffey Jr., B. Hamilton, A. Jones, K. Lofton, M. Mantle, W. Mays, K. Puckett, D. Snider, T. Speaker, T. Stearnes, M. Trout Right Field (20) H. Aaron, M. Betts, R. Clemente, S. Crawford, V. Guerrero, T. Gwynn, H. Heilmann, J. Jackson, R. Jackson, A. Kaline, W. Keeler, K. Kelly, S. Musial, M. Ott, F. Robinson, B. Ruth, I. Suzuki, L. Walker, P. Waner, D. Winfield Starting Pitcher (59) G. Alexander, B. Blyleven, R. Brown, J. Bunning, S. Carlton, J. Clarkson, R. Clemens, D. Dean, D. Drysdale, B. Feller, W. Ford, B. Foster, B. Gibson, T. Glavine, Z. Greinke, L. Grove, R. Halladay, C. Hubbell, C. Hunter, F. Jenkins, R. Johnson, W. Johnson, T. Keefe, C. Kershaw, S. Koufax, B. Lemon, T. Lyons, G. Maddux, J. Marichal, P. Martinez, C. Mathewson, M. Mussina, H. Newhouser, K. Nichols, P. Niekro, S. Paige, J. Palmer, H. Pennock, G. Perry, E. Plank, O. H. Radbourn, R. Roberts, B. Rogan, R. Ruffing, N. Ryan, C. C. Sabathia, M. Scherzer, C. Schilling, T. Seaver, H. Smith, J. Smoltz, W. Spahn, D. Sutton, D. Vance, J. Verlander, R. Waddell, E. Walsh, E. Wynn, C. Young, Relief Pitcher (5) D. Eckersley, G. Gossage, T. Hoffman, M. Rivera, H. Wilhelm Out: Catcher (6) R. Bresnahan, R. Ferrell, E. Lombardi, W. Robertson, L. Santop, R. Schalk, T. Simmons First Base (11) J. Beckley, J. Bottomley, O. Cepeda, F. Chance, G. Hodges, G. Kelly, F. McGriff, D. Ortiz, T. Perez, B. Taylor, J. Wilson Second Base (7) J. Evers, J. Gordon, B. Herman, T. Lazzeri, B. Mazeroski, B. McPhee, R. Schoendienst Third Base (4) G. Kell, F. Lindstrom, B. McKechnie, D. White Shortstop (6) D. Bancroft, T. Jackson, R. Maranville, P. Rizzuto, J. Sewell, J. Tinker Left Field (2) C. Hafey, H. Manusch Center Field (4) E. Averill, E. Combs, E. Roush, H. Wilson Right Field (12) H. Baines, K. Cuyler, E. Flick, H. Hooper, C. Klein, T. McCarthy, T. Oliva, E. Slaugher, S. Rice, B. Southworth, S. Thompson, R. Youngs Starting Pitcher (22) C. Bender, M. Brown, J. Chesbro, A. Cooper, S. Coveleski, C. Cummings, R. Feber, P. Galvin, L. Gomez, B. Grimes, J. Haines, W. Hoyt, A. Joss, J. Kaat, R. Marquard, J. McGinnity, J. Morris, A. Spalding, E. Rixey, A. Rusie, M. Welch, V. Willis Relief Pitcher (3) R. Fingers, L. Smith, B. Suter Harry Truman, Doris Day Red China, Johnnie Ray South Pacific Walter Winchell, Joe DiMaggio
December 26, 20232 yr I say yes but that's probably a biased opinion. Buehrle was also insanely efficient time wise. I think this video was posted last year but if you haven't seen it: My aunt & uncle decided to spend extra money one time for the scout seats & buffet. Buehrle pitched that day and they weren't happy. Def did not get their moneys worth for food & booze.
December 26, 20232 yr 6 hours ago, Quin said: Harry Truman, Doris Day Red China, Johnnie Ray South Pacific Walter Winchell, Joe DiMaggio
December 26, 20232 yr Hall of Fame not Hall of Stats. It's a marketing tool of MLB to honor and promote their product. I can't think of anyone who did more to elevate and honor the game than Mark. The game honoring him would be appropriate.
December 26, 20232 yr 16 minutes ago, Texsox said: Hall of Fame not Hall of Stats. It's a marketing tool of MLB to honor and promote their product. I can't think of anyone who did more to elevate and honor the game than Mark. The game honoring him would be appropriate. Isn’t the Hall actually an independent business?
December 26, 20232 yr 14 hours ago, Balta1701 said: Isn’t the Hall actually an independent business? That is the corporate structure.
December 27, 20232 yr 10 hours ago, Quin said: Harry Truman, Doris Day Red China, Johnnie Ray South Pacific Walter Winchell, Joe DiMaggio
December 27, 20232 yr On 12/25/2023 at 8:56 PM, caulfield12 said: Not in that generation of players...the offensive numbers were just so off the charts, and the fact that he was just an average defender (minus range, but great at scoops out of the dirt) and kind of fell completely apart there at the end of his career. Like Buehrle, very good but not quite great. Gil Hodges is another guy in the HOF whose numbers aren’t as good as PK’s but when you were a member of “The Boys Of Summer” that counts for a lot. Edited December 27, 20232 yr by The Mighty Mite
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