Balta1701 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 8 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Burdi too. KW started that nonsense with Royce Ring and Aaron Poreda. Burdi was at least drafted as a reliever, with the idea that a reliever would save their precious 2016 season, outside the top 15. He would have been a challenge to turn into a starter. Probably 29 teams wouldn’t have drafted him in the first round had they thought there was no chance of him starting, but they didn’t understand how smart Rick Hahn’s 2016 strategy was. The record of the 2016 team is a true reflection of Hahn’s quality. Crochet, to me, was Hahn and Williams saying “we could have kept Chris Sale in the bullpen in 2012. Because we didn’t, we got a 2nd place finish in 2012 and a borderline HOF starter. This was clearly a mistake so we need to fix it to get our 2nd bullpen lefty.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 1 hour ago, caulfield12 said: Burdi too. KW started that nonsense with Royce Ring and Aaron Poreda. Joins the crowd of numerous players we likely get nothing back in return for...or negative returns. Rodon Anderson Grandal Pollock/Kimbrel Hendriks etc. Almost every first rounder other than Burger/Sale. Likely Jimenez/Moncada. Cease due to the Sports Guy/Elias Curse. 14. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 23 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: 14. You haven't counted SSHM posts/lists yet?? That should keep you busy for the remainder of the winter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rounding_Third Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 On 1/15/2024 at 4:48 PM, Balta1701 said: I feel bad for Crochet because a professional organization would have tried him as a starter from the beginning in ‘21. Instead he got the Hahn clown show. You don’t draft a guy in the top 15 and treat him this way, this guy with his arm could easily have turned into a top 10 prospect in all of baseball after 2 years in the minors, but Hahn needed his relievers. And if he gets hurt, then there’s time for him to recover before he has to hit free agency. Nah, Crocket was a very weak SP at TN. He should never have been drafted at #11 with SP intentions. Not sure where solid RP's get drafted but I'm guessing not even in 1st round. I remember Hahn got some smirks around the league with that reach. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 On 1/9/2024 at 7:28 PM, Chicago White Sox said: Man I don’t know how you see a 99% outcome being a top 10 offense with this crew. Right now, you are starting DeJong at SS, Lopez at 2B, Phillips in RF, and Maldonado / Stassi at CA. That’s four spots with zero offensive output even if Robert, Moncada, Eloy, Vaughn, & Benintendi are healthy & productive (which in multiple cases are big ifs). That could change some depending on what they get back for Cease, how Montgomery does if/when he’s called up, and if they add semi-component veteran RF, but right now I’d say the ceiling of this offense is probably closer to league average. Sox 80th percentile zip outcomes would put them in the top 8 offensively last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) On 1/15/2024 at 5:20 PM, Balta1701 said: Burdi was at least drafted as a reliever, with the idea that a reliever would save their precious 2016 season, outside the top 15. He would have been a challenge to turn into a starter. Probably 29 teams wouldn’t have drafted him in the first round had they thought there was no chance of him starting, but they didn’t understand how smart Rick Hahn’s 2016 strategy was. The record of the 2016 team is a true reflection of Hahn’s quality. Crochet, to me, was Hahn and Williams saying “we could have kept Chris Sale in the bullpen in 2012. Because we didn’t, we got a 2nd place finish in 2012 and a borderline HOF starter. This was clearly a mistake so we need to fix it to get our 2nd bullpen lefty.” The guy got hurt as a starter in college. The Sox drafted him. He pitched 6 glorious innings, then got hurt again. In what world was he going to be successful as a starting pitcher? The White Sox, RH,KW, all screw up all the time, but how can you say this guy would have been fine if they just made him a starter from the get go? The only reason anyone has ever thought this guy was MLB starting pitcher material was because he wanted to be a starter and he threw 6 unreal innings in 2020. Before that, most people here thought WTF when the Sox drafted him. Edited January 23 by Dick Allen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 30 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: The guy got hurt as a starter in college. The Sox drafted him. He pitched 6 glorious innings, then got hurt again. In what world was he going to be successful as a starting pitcher? The White Sox, RH,KW, all screw up all the time, but how can you say this guy would have been fine if they just made him a starter from the get go? The only reason anyone has ever thought this guy was MLB starting pitcher material was because he wanted to be a starter and he threw 6 unreal innings in 2020. Before that, most people here thought WTF when the Sox drafted him. No he didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 3 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: No he didn't. Yes he did. He pitched 1 game, 3 innings his JR year, because of Covid, but also a missed the first 3 weeks with an arm injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 He didn't have an arm injury he was sore and they were being cautious. If they knew the season was going to be cut short he would have pitched thru it. We've gone over this countless times. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 hour ago, Dick Allen said: The guy got hurt as a starter in college. The Sox drafted him. He pitched 6 glorious innings, then got hurt again. In what world was he going to be successful as a starting pitcher? The White Sox, RH,KW, all screw up all the time, but how can you say this guy would have been fine if they just made him a starter from the get go? The only reason anyone has ever thought this guy was MLB starting pitcher material was because he wanted to be a starter and he threw 6 unreal innings in 2020. Before that, most people here thought WTF when the Sox drafted him. Clearly someone thought he was MLB starting pitcher material since he was drafted in the top 15 and that wasn't an obvious overdraft. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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