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On 12/21/2024 at 9:38 AM, Chicago White Sox said:

Thanks for sharing.  Surprised they can fit two stadiums and a bunch other s%*# on that site.

I read about a month ago or so that the Fire might be joining in with plans for a soccer stadium at the 78 along with a Sox ballpark.  So, this news isn't totally new.

IIRC, with U of I pulling out of the site and moving their research center to the tech center being developed at the old US Steel South Shore site, the developer has said that there is now room for a soccer stadium at the site along with the other things they already have planned for there.  

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On the subject of stadium issues the city of Cleveland today sued the Browns over their plan to move 15 miles outside of the city into a brand new stadium complex. City says 'if you want our money to help build it, you'll be keeping it right here.' They have offered over 400 million to help upgrade the current facility. 

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10 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said:

On the subject of stadium issues the city of Cleveland today sued the Browns over their plan to move 15 miles outside of the city into a brand new stadium complex. City says 'if you want our money to help build it, you'll be keeping it right here.' They have offered over 400 million to help upgrade the current facility. 

As the 2023 season ended with 101 losses, JR didn't talk about improving the team. Instead, he went to Springfield to lobby for a new stadium. The result? A record setting 121-loss season in 2024 with another 100-loss season in the 20th anniversary of the only World Series championship in 108 years.

Conservatives like JR preach about people "pulling themselves by their bootstraps." No government handouts. But there is JR with a handout for an obscene amount of money. Instead of the team improving, it worsens. 

Getz supporters say he will eventually turn the team into a winner. But until that happens, Getz and the White Sox will have no credibility. I've been a Sox fan for a long time. I don't listen to promises anymore, and JR can build his own stadium.

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Related development continues to look for a sucker to anchor a development in an area that has already been rejected by numerous potential tenants. Worse yet, their latest unrealistic proposals require tax payer funding. The WSox should distance themselves from this greedy, desperate developer. Instead, JR showed up with them in Springfield with hat in hand.  It was a bad look but one that will no doubt not be repeated.

 

 

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JR take note:

“We will not pursue the deal at any cost,” Mayor Ken Welch said. “The greatness and future of St. Pete does not depend solely on this deal, and I am confident that we have given this endeavor our very best effort."

https://frontofficesports.com/rays-receive-blunt-message-from-st-pete-mayor-were-ready-to-move-on/

 

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Anyone just think about all these other sites over the city that are supposedly these wonderful opportunities for a megadevelopment? Old US steel site.  South Deering. Lincoln Yards. Feel like I’m forgetting some. Only no one is interested. Related Morons keep blowing it. Sterling Bae. The City of Chicago. You know what’s a great site for development? 35th and Shields. Great transit connections. Median household income increasing rapidly nearby. Adjacent to one of the most important central business districts in the hemisphere. The developer could even get a bunch of state and city grants to build there. They already have a ballpark there, even! 🤑 

Something I love about JR is how bad he is at making money. The nerd had one good idea. 

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5 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said:

Loving this quote:

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The White Sox, apparently, are also seeking money for a new stadium, and, uh, clearly it would be applicable to that trash panda of a baseball team.

 

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4 hours ago, JoeC said:

Loving this quote:

With the new Administration in D.C the State of Illinois will be hard pressed to realize any Federal help on anything. 
The state certainly won’t be in any position to use State dollars to assist in the building of new stadiums or even with infrastructure. 
Meetings the States basic needs will be an adventure. This isn’t a political post but rather a post about the realities of todays politics for the better or worse.                       

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8 minutes ago, Lightly Folded said:
4 hours ago, JoeC said:

Loving this quote:

With the new Administration in D.C the State of Illinois will be hard pressed to realize any Federal help on anything. 
The state certainly won’t be in any position to use State dollars to assist in the building of new stadiums or even with infrastructure. 
Meetings the States basic needs will be an adventure. This isn’t a political post but rather a post about the realities of todays politics for the better or worse.                       

I'd love to know what JR's thinking is after being rebuffed by the state legislature and now the different leadership in Washington.

He's no fool, he's got to understand that unless he kicks in a significant amount of his own money he has very little chance of anything happening. 

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White Sox fans  should remember that the South Loop  Stadium location was offered to JR in the 1980s and he turned down the offer. He wanted to build a stadium in Addison where he just happened to own the land.

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10 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

I'd love to know what JR's thinking is after being rebuffed by the state legislature and now the different leadership in Washington.

He's no fool, he's got to understand that unless he kicks in a significant amount of his own money he has very little chance of anything happening. 

I think J.R. and the McCaskey’s have been backed into a corner. They either put up dough or sell.

 

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5 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said:

I'd love to know what JR's thinking is after being rebuffed by the state legislature and now the different leadership in Washington.

He's no fool, he's got to understand that unless he kicks in a significant amount of his own money he has very little chance of anything happening. 

There is no way I can watch Reinsdorf threaten to move to Nashville as his main negotiating tactic and agree with “He’s no fool.”

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8 hours ago, WBWSF said:

White Sox fans  should remember that the South Loop  Stadium location was offered to JR in the 1980s and he turned down the offer. He wanted to build a stadium in Addison where he just happened to own the land.

Honestly, I don't remember what you are talking about. I believe that land was owned by another crooked developer at that time but that is going back over 40 years..

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5 hours ago, tray said:

Honestly, I don't remember what you are talking about. I believe that land was owned by another crooked developer at that time but that is going back over 40 years..

I don’t remember that either, after Addison turned the Sox down, Governor Thompson, Mayor Washington and the State of Illinois agreed to build the new stadium but only where it is right now.

Back in the 1960s Mayor Richard J. Daley and Arthur Allyn talked about a Sports Complex with a new Sox stadium, a new Bears stadium and a new Blackhawks arena in the “78”. Bears wanted nothing to do with it and that was that.

 

 

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What's the definition of a crooked developer vs. an owner who refuses to spend any private money for a project...when the near universal model recently has been something close to public/prvt partnerships?

You can certainly not argue that the new Federal government stance is to cut spending across the board...so what compelling reason would a highly subsidized (through anti trust exemption) sports league be protected at the cost of hundreds of millions of dollars?

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20 hours ago, WBWSF said:

White Sox fans  should remember that the South Loop  Stadium location was offered to JR in the 1980s and he turned down the offer. He wanted to build a stadium in Addison where he just happened to own the land.

Yes, JR wanted to build a stadium in Addison, but when that feel through, I thought it was Harold Washington that insisted that the Sox accept the current location of "The Rate" as the location for a new ballpark in order to get the city's support.  

 

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16 hours ago, tray said:

Honestly, I don't remember what you are talking about. I believe that land was owned by another crooked developer at that time but that is going back over 40 years..

Jerry owned land (something like 200 acres ) near Lake St./Swift.  They were in negotiations to purchase the rest from Medinah and whoever was in charge of that unincorporated area (maybe you're referring to that "good 'ol boy/Medinah club" with a Jerry crony).  It was part of talks with the building of 355 back in the day.

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