April 16, 20242 yr 5 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Didn't we historically used to make fun of Bleacher Report's credibility on prospect rankings compared to most of the other rankings out there...for pretty much all the major sports? Does any other halfway reliable service have us anywhere besides #10-18? Kind of what I'm thinking... I'm taking this with a grain of salt, and I'm keeping an eye on more credible / mainstream rankings sources to validate anything that Bleacher Report comes out with.
April 16, 20242 yr 12 minutes ago, JoeC said: Kind of what I'm thinking... I'm taking this with a grain of salt, and I'm keeping an eye on more credible / mainstream rankings sources to validate anything that Bleacher Report comes out with. Wasn’t a Bleacher Report mock draft used by Terrence Shannon Jr’s lawyers to prove his draft stock was falling
April 16, 20242 yr 4 hours ago, The Mighty Mite said: Maybe there is some hope. Don't count on it. We need hope that the Sox will actually be able to develop these players and keep them healthy instead of calling them up before they're ready or playing them out of position.
April 16, 20242 yr 4 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said: Not sure why this gets laughed at…it’s accurate It's accuracy is not a bullseye. I will forever and always point out that the director of player development is JR. He is also the GM, not that he makes draft choices or make trades. He has been known to make suggestions during drafts like any fan would but when you are the COB you just might give his opinion more value if you value his loyalty. He makes the budgets that don't allow those in charge to be the best people for the job nor do they have the number of people they need nor the most modern technology. These things have to be forever in your mind along with ,of course ,that all the same things apply to international spending where JR rules govern what happens even more when you don't use the DR to it's full advantage for 40 years. Edited April 16, 20242 yr by CaliSoxFanViaSWside
April 17, 20242 yr 5 hours ago, Quin said: Cause many of us remember when the team was ranked first — built off of external trades and a few high draft picks — but they couldn't develop any supplemental pieces to support that talent and that talent never really put it all together, with players unable to stay healthy or keeping their same strengths and weaknesses that they had in the minor leagues. And now the guy in charge of developing the minor league system back then is in charge of the whole operation. I have long felt that the rebuild seemed a bit half-assed. I liked the system in the 90s, when there was always a Ray Durham, a Carlos Lee, a Magglio Ordonez, a Joe Crede, an Aaron Rowand, or a Mark Buehrle just waiting in the wings.
April 17, 20242 yr I don't think the system is that good but there are a lot of useful players, I could see many guys outside the top 10 turning into good major leaguers. The issue is, what has already been discussed ad nauseum, actually developing those players. Especially hitters. I feel fairly confident in this team's ability to develop a pitching staff and the system is weighted toward pitching. But a lot has to go right for the Sox to turn 4 or 5 of those position players into every day players. It would be nice if Colson could stick at SS while Gonzalez and Ramos pan out and can play 2B and 3B respectively. Hopefully the idea is to pump up our pitchers' value and trade them for guys who can hit and balance out the system. The Mena trade was the right idea, just wasted on a pointless player. Kopech seems like the likeliest candidate to bring back a good player.
April 17, 20242 yr Wait a sec...does BR actually have them ahead of the vaunted Cubs' system? Is their new business strategy for engagement to illicit more anger from the teams with the biggest online following/s?
April 17, 20242 yr now for some very good news. 1st round pick Jacob Gonzalez is killing it at Winston-salem. looks like last years rough start was just a hiccup.
April 17, 20242 yr 10 hours ago, nrockway said: I don't think the system is that good but there are a lot of useful players, I could see many guys outside the top 10 turning into good major leaguers. The issue is, what has already been discussed ad nauseum, actually developing those players. Especially hitters. I feel fairly confident in this team's ability to develop a pitching staff and the system is weighted toward pitching. But a lot has to go right for the Sox to turn 4 or 5 of those position players into every day players. It would be nice if Colson could stick at SS while Gonzalez and Ramos pan out and can play 2B and 3B respectively. Hopefully the idea is to pump up our pitchers' value and trade them for guys who can hit and balance out the system. The Mena trade was the right idea, just wasted on a pointless player. Kopech seems like the likeliest candidate to bring back a good player. It does seem high. It does feel like, compared to last rebuild, there’s more in the B/C tier of prospects. The last rebuild was more top heavy.
April 17, 20242 yr 3 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: It does seem high. It does feel like, compared to last rebuild, there’s more in the B/C tier of prospects. The last rebuild was more top heavy. It was top heavy, but it was also 10 guys in the top-100 Times were wild.
April 17, 20242 yr 15 hours ago, JoeC said: Kind of what I'm thinking... I'm taking this with a grain of salt, and I'm keeping an eye on more credible / mainstream rankings sources to validate anything that Bleacher Report comes out with. I think BR is written by Class D student reporters. Doubtful accuracy or insights.
April 17, 20242 yr 13 hours ago, nrockway said: I don't think the system is that good but there are a lot of useful players, I could see many guys outside the top 10 turning into good major leaguers. The issue is, what has already been discussed ad nauseum, actually developing those players. Especially hitters. I feel fairly confident in this team's ability to develop a pitching staff and the system is weighted toward pitching. But a lot has to go right for the Sox to turn 4 or 5 of those position players into every day players. It would be nice if Colson could stick at SS while Gonzalez and Ramos pan out and can play 2B and 3B respectively. Hopefully the idea is to pump up our pitchers' value and trade them for guys who can hit and balance out the system. The Mena trade was the right idea, just wasted on a pointless player. Kopech seems like the likeliest candidate to bring back a good player. A lot does have to go right, that's true. The one thing in our favor this time is, all of our position guys possess a strong knowledge of the strike zone. That couldn't be said of the last group. Couple that with the fact that all 5 players in this group play premium defensive positions, at least to start. That seems like a very big advantage going forward.
April 27, 20241 yr 8 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Getz actually cited this Bleacher Report farm ranking. ? seems like whenever Fangraphs updates their rankings, Sox will assuredly have a top 10 (they are 12th, right below SDP, before factoring in the Cease trade) system by their rankings. Probably top 5 considering all the graduations coming for the teams above the Sox. Citing Bleacher Report is probably dumb but the farm system seems to be in genuinely OK shape.
April 27, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, nrockway said: seems like whenever Fangraphs updates their rankings, Sox will assuredly have a top 10 (they are 12th, right below SDP, before factoring in the Cease trade) system by their rankings. Probably top 5 considering all the graduations coming for the teams above the Sox. Citing Bleacher Report is probably dumb but the farm system seems to be in genuinely OK shape. Now when those guys move up, can they keep it in shape? The answer: no.
April 27, 20241 yr Jake Eder has best outing in a Sox uniform tonite. 6 4 2 2 2 8. Colson Montgomery 4 walks tonite.
April 27, 20241 yr 9 minutes ago, ScootsMcGoots said: Now when those guys move up, can they keep it in shape? The answer: no. I'm pleasantly surprised by what guys are doing at every level to be honest. Even after Colson and Thorpe graduate, I think there are some studs, guys who might move up/into top 100 territory. AAA isn't the most impressive level to me. I'm not willing to say it's a "successful" farm, more like let's wait and see. early returns seem positive.
April 27, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Getz actually cited this Bleacher Report farm ranking. ? Man is just not in his element.
April 27, 20241 yr 21 minutes ago, Quin said: Man is just not in his element. Reminiscent of Hahn constantly citing his AL Executive of the Year award. The only BR that matters inside the industry is Baseball-Reference.
April 27, 20241 yr 6 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Reminiscent of Hahn constantly citing his AL Executive of the Year award. The only BR that matters inside the industry is Baseball-Reference. Right before he was fired, when Hahn said that he probably isn't as bad as people think he is, but probably didn't earn the AL EoY, that was funniest attempt to flex I've ever heard. It was simultaneously knocking his personal best recognition while reminding everyone he had it.
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