Y2Jimmy0 Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 13 hours ago, Timmy U said: I wouldn’t be surprised if they tried to underslot someone like Kilen or Bremner and try to push Schoolcraft down to 44. They have been rumored to like him since the fall. Bremner and Schoolcraft would be a pretty solid draft that they would absolutely get crushed for. I don’t think they’re interested in Bremner. He doesn’t get any extension. Not their type. 5 hours ago, GreenSox said: So much so (c $3 million) that they probably couldn't use it all without further overpays and reaches. I just don't get how an org. that is so historically poor at drafting and developing still thinks that they are the smartest guys in the room. For any player who submitted medicals, teams have to go 75% of slot value. Sox slot is $6.2 million. They could do Schoolcraft for like $4.5ish million but that’s the lowest. He’s not in their mix at 10 according to the scouting director. 5 hours ago, fathom said: Any chance they take Schoolcraft, and then have enough for Fauske and Bauer? I have no idea what Bauer’s number is. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 (edited) Pretty much another worst case scenario again with BA's penultimate mock. Quote 1.) Nationals - Ethan Holliday 2.) Angels - Kade Anderson 3.) Mariners - Aiva Arquette 4.) Rockies - Liam Doyle 5.) Cardinals - Eli Willits 6.) Pirates - Seth Hernandez 7.) Marlins - Billy Carlson 8.) Blue Jays - JoJo Parker 9.) Reds - Ike Irish 10.) White Sox — Jamie Arnold, LHP, Florida State The White Sox seem to be on all the same names as the teams in front of them, so I have them taking a player who could easily go seven spots in front of them in Arnold. It sounds like the White Sox could covet both Billy Carlson and JoJo Parker, but neither are available in this scenario. Other names I’ve heard tied to Chicago include Kyson Witherspoon, Tyler Bremner, Kayson Cunningham, Gavin Kilen and Jace LaViolette. Edited July 9 by DirtySox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 15 minutes ago, DirtySox said: Pretty much another worst case scenario again with BA's penultimate mock. If that’s the scenario, I hope they go way under slot and go for a splash at 44. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Might be the first mention of Kayson Cunningham? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 1 hour ago, DirtySox said: Pretty much another worst case scenario again with BA's penultimate mock. They didn't even change the writeup. I feel like this is BA doing a bit of "Surely this top college pitcher won't fall this far!". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 (edited) 2 hours ago, DirtySox said: Pretty much another worst case scenario again with BA's penultimate mock. The GM knows that he doesn't have the budget for TOR pitchers and high end power hitters. So these need to be taken in the draft and developed. As long as the high end pitcher (if that is the pick) is followed by another high tool bat like bonemer last year, its good. If both Parker and Carlson are gone. They should take a high end pitcher that fell. Can never have too much pitching, especially of that caliber. Edited July 9 by ptatc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 2 hours ago, DirtySox said: Pretty much another worst case scenario again with BA's penultimate mock. I think they'd take Steele Hall in this scenario. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 1 hour ago, ptatc said: The GM knows that he doesn't have the budget for TOR pitchers and high end power hitters. So these need to be taken in the draft and developed. As long as the high end pitcher (if that is the pick) is followed by another high tool bat like bonemer last year, its good. If both Parker and Carlson are gone. They should take a high end pitcher that fell. Can never have too much pitching, especially of that caliber. I just think the sox basically have no avenues to add hitting except the draft. We have no good trade assets left. Too many examples of finding a Smith in rule 5, Houser off waivers...the hitting equivalents aren't there. They have a bad offense with very little hitting prospects on their way. They'd have to hit 100% on those and few who look like wreckers. There may not be such a thing as too much pitching, but they definitely have too little hitting to ever compete more than 70 wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 8 minutes ago, bmags said: I just think the sox basically have no avenues to add hitting except the draft. We have no good trade assets left. Too many examples of finding a Smith in rule 5, Houser off waivers...the hitting equivalents aren't there. They have a bad offense with very little hitting prospects on their way. They'd have to hit 100% on those and few who look like wreckers. There may not be such a thing as too much pitching, but they definitely have too little hitting to ever compete more than 70 wins. And they also have a history of developing pitching, both from inside and outside of the organization. With hitting, they have nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 9 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: And they also have a history of developing pitching, both from inside and outside of the organization. With hitting, they have nothing. I think our pitching development is overrated here. We put a ton of resources into it compared to hitting and get better than last results. But this ain't milwaukee. We are just one years removed from being unable to find even a single competent starter in AAA that could spot start and not be a disaster. And could not find a competent reliever. That doesn't happen to teams that can actually develop pitching. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 20 minutes ago, bmags said: I think our pitching development is overrated here. We put a ton of resources into it compared to hitting and get better than last results. But this ain't milwaukee. We are just one years removed from being unable to find even a single competent starter in AAA that could spot start and not be a disaster. And could not find a competent reliever. That doesn't happen to teams that can actually develop pitching. Cleveland is very good at finding good pitching as well. Their issue is developing hitters to help Ramirez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 57 minutes ago, bmags said: I think our pitching development is overrated here. We put a ton of resources into it compared to hitting and get better than last results. But this ain't milwaukee. We are just one years removed from being unable to find even a single competent starter in AAA that could spot start and not be a disaster. And could not find a competent reliever. That doesn't happen to teams that can actually develop pitching. Eh, you do have to have SOME talent. We have been churning some TRASH through our system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autumn Dreamin Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Local product/ACE alum could be worth a look in later rounds. Merk highlighted him in a recent newsletter. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 (edited) 3 hours ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: I think they'd take Steele Hall in this scenario. It sounds plausible listening to the podcasts from everyone. It would be tough to pass up Arnold though. That would be the under slot they need to really try to push someone down to 44. Edited July 9 by ptatc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 2 hours ago, bmags said: I just think the sox basically have no avenues to add hitting except the draft. We have no good trade assets left. Too many examples of finding a Smith in rule 5, Houser off waivers...the hitting equivalents aren't there. They have a bad offense with very little hitting prospects on their way. They'd have to hit 100% on those and few who look like wreckers. There may not be such a thing as too much pitching, but they definitely have too little hitting to ever compete more than 70 wins. Currently no trade pieces. But if they draft the best players available then they will have some trade pieces as they move through the minors or up to the MLB. Whether they are hitters or pitchers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 8 minutes ago, ptatc said: Currently no trade pieces. But if they draft the best players available then they will have some trade pieces as they move through the minors or up to the MLB. Whether they are hitters or pitchers. Trading pitching for hitting just is not bringing the same value. Pitching prospects especially. It's just not going to move the needle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Draft chat https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/mlb-draft-chat-with-carlos-collazo-7-9-25/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 16 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Draft chat https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/mlb-draft-chat-with-carlos-collazo-7-9-25/ Jace and Schoolcraft wouldn’t shock me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 17 minutes ago, fathom said: Jace and Schoolcraft wouldn’t shock me Jace would be gross. I think I can talk myself into any of the other rumored names. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 9 minutes ago, DirtySox said: Jace would be gross. I think I can talk myself into any of the other rumored names. I honestly have no idea what to think of these players. Hall is the one who scares me the most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 I doubt they draft Jace without the ok of the director of hitting; I doubt he would give the okay if he didn't have a good idea of how to fix the Ks. He would come underslot, which gives them the room they need to fully utilize drafting first in rounds 2-20. And if the draft plays out as BA suggests, they really need to go underslot. Arnold isn't that compelling even under BPA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 I don’t believe that Jace LaViolette is in the Sox mix at 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 31 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: I don’t believe that Jace LaViolette is in the Sox mix at 10. Personally I like Jace more than the prep shortstops. Feels like with where Sox are - you get a legit power bat and strong athlete who profiles in corner - overtime he pairs with his former college teammate Montgomery. Elite exit velocity - tons of upside - yeah he’s got some stuff to work on but if Sox can get him for right price and than splurge in next round or two even better. Have no issue with the prow shortstops either - but Jace is a strong sec player who has all the tools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince34 Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 (edited) Hard pass on LaViolette! The strikeout numbers are ridiculously high and the track record of that transitioning to pro ball isn’t great. Those type of players usually don’t pan out 99.9% of the time. Edited July 10 by PolishPrince34 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 14 hours ago, fathom said: Jace and Schoolcraft wouldn’t shock me I’d be shocked by Jace at this point. I think Kilen and Houston were the college bats referenced by Shirley 7 hours ago, Chisoxfn said: Personally I like Jace more than the prep shortstops. Feels like with where Sox are - you get a legit power bat and strong athlete who profiles in corner - overtime he pairs with his former college teammate Montgomery. Elite exit velocity - tons of upside - yeah he’s got some stuff to work on but if Sox can get him for right price and than splurge in next round or two even better. Have no issue with the prow shortstops either - but Jace is a strong sec player who has all the tools. I don’t think anyone with those strikeout numbers has ever translated. He reminds me of Jeren Kendall 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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