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Dodgers defenestrating Sox, Snell signs 5 years, $182 million


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4 hours ago, nrockway said:

Yes. It shouldn't even be a choice. It should be like every other sport. Why should we have faith that the team owner is going to 'do the right thing'? He should be compelled to 'do the right thing' and one team shouldn't be able to sign every single good free agent.

The Dodgers are such an overrated team. When was the last time they actually produced a homegrown player that's any good? Miguel Vargas? Michael Busch? Pages? Lux? The only guys on their playoff roster that they can be credited for 'developing' weren't very good. It's easier to win at baseball when you can pay unlimited money to every superstar in the league. It isn't the 'only' thing, you can certainly win without spending a ton of money, so why isn't it a rule that every team has to spend within the same window? It objectively produces a non-competitive environment. It's the worst thing about professional baseball honestly.

Drafting Buehler probably...May, a whole host of young pitchers before their injuries.  Urias before his DV.

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Another mini example is the Royals out spending the entire AL Central on FA and the Witt extension and going from 106 losses to the post season thanks partly to the White Sox historical ineptitude.

And already doing so again by tearing up the Wacha contract...a pitcher along with Lugo that nearly any team in baseball could have "reasonably" signed a year ago.

If your spending limit is $15/2 years you're no longer even in the FA game, you have to develop all your pitching through draft/development and Latin America or Asia.

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Regardless of the creative accounting, isn’t this really bad money for Blake Snell? Comparing Dodgers pitchers….Glasnow out pitched Snell last year according to Fangraphs, Snell will have signed his deal while about a year and a half older than Glasnow, Snell has been healthier but pretty inconsistent up through 2023, but he’s getting something like 33% more money than Glasnow. And yeah Glasbow had 1 year remaining before FA when he signed but that’s such a big money boost. This feels like spending just to spend. I wouldn’t want this deal on any other team/

If it wasn’t for one truly unique player I’d start comparing them to the mid-2000s Yankees where they blew everyone else out of the water with contracts given to guys based on reputation and then couldn’t get out of the Wild Card round.

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33 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

Regardless of the creative accounting, isn’t this really bad money for Blake Snell? Comparing Dodgers pitchers….Glasnow out pitched Snell last year according to Fangraphs, Snell will have signed his deal while about a year and a half older than Glasnow, Snell has been healthier but pretty inconsistent up through 2023, but he’s getting something like 33% more money than Glasnow. And yeah Glasbow had 1 year remaining before FA when he signed but that’s such a big money boost. This feels like spending just to spend. I wouldn’t want this deal on any other team/

If it wasn’t for one truly unique player I’d start comparing them to the mid-2000s Yankees where they blew everyone else out of the water with contracts given to guys based on reputation and then couldn’t get out of the Wild Card round.

If those teams had two other MVPs in Betts and Freeman...

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2 hours ago, 46DidIt said:

And Mussina. Then they had hof caliber players like Cano, Sheffield and Abreu as well

Bobby Abreu was in his prime years with the Yankees?

What next, Hideki Matsui?

I think the hype over Matsumoto trumps him now...

 

And I thought we were talking about the mid to late 90s Yankees dynasty, not 2009 as a singular year?

Sheffield was more of a complimentary player like a Max Muncy by that point in his career.

And Kenley Jansen likely makes the HoF, although he was nowhere close to Mo Rivera as a closer.

It's going to always be hard to compare because of the shadow of steroids over that generation...Giambi later, Sheffield, rumors about Cano, etc.

Will concede Mussina and Mo, though.

Lets not forget the ability to add Max Scherzer Trea Turner and Manny Machado for LAD...we will keep going round and round in circles.

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A cap won't make cheap asses like Jerry spend with the Dodgers and Yankees of baseball, and a floor only requires him to spend the bare minimum. So long as he gets to bank free money from revenue sharing with no requirement to spend it on baseball operations or player salaries, little would change. Stopping the richest teams from spending won't stop the billionaires at the other end of the spectrum from choosing not to spend. 

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8 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:

A cap won't make cheap asses like Jerry spend with the Dodgers and Yankees of baseball, and a floor only requires him to spend the bare minimum. So long as he gets to bank free money from revenue sharing with no requirement to spend it on baseball operations or player salaries, little would change. Stopping the richest teams from spending won't stop the billionaires at the other end of the spectrum from choosing not to spend. 

Remember...White Sox revenue sharing is not enough to make much of a difference despite operating like a small market team in a big media center.

 

“My ultimate, kind of big-picture goal is that when we are done, that we're able to look back and say that was the golden era of Dodger baseball, and that is an incredibly high bar to even say that,” Friedman said. “That's where my focus is.”

A week later, Friedman’s Dodgers were World Series champions for the first time in a full season since 1988. At some point in the jubilant aftermath, it surely crossed his mind that no MLB team has won back-to-back World Series since the Yankees in 1999-2000.

Less than a month after raising that golden trophy, Friedman signaled that his Dodgers are determined to end that streak."

yahoo.com/sports

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1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:

Bobby Abreu was in his prime years with the Yankees?

What next, Hideki Matsui?

I think the hype over Matsumoto trumps him now...

 

And I thought we were talking about the mid to late 90s Yankees dynasty, not 2009 as a singular year?

Sheffield was more of a complimentary player like a Max Muncy by that point in his career.

And Kenley Jansen likely makes the HoF, although he was nowhere close to Mo Rivera as a closer.

It's going to always be hard to compare because of the shadow of steroids over that generation...Giambi later, Sheffield, rumors about Cano, etc.

Will concede Mussina and Mo, though.

Lets not forget the ability to add Max Scherzer Trea Turner and Manny Machado for LAD...we will keep going round and round in circles.

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