Edited December 21, 20241 yr by Buehrle>Wood

Fantastic trade for AZ

That’s…a crappy return for Cleveland.

9 minutes ago, fathom said:

Fantastic trade for AZ

7 minutes ago, hogan873 said:

That’s…a crappy return for Cleveland.

Yep, what the heck?

Damn apparently Cleveland is that hard up for cash that they’re trading Naylor for a draft pick?

 

Also, how the hell did the Yankees not beat this offer instead of signing 37 year old Goldschmidt?

10 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Yep, what the heck?

Naylor's set to make $14mil and Manzardo will make $750k. Manzardo is likely better too.

4 minutes ago, nrockway said:

Naylor's set to make $14mil and Manzardo will make $750k. Manzardo is likely better too.

And then they burn $12 million on old man Santana anyways.

Think I'd much rather have Naylor at 14 million than Santana at 12. 

8 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

And then they burn $12 million on old man Santana anyways.

yikes

28 minutes ago, fathom said:

Fantastic trade for AZ

Thank god that big bastard is out of the division.  He was on a Mike Sweeney level all time Sox killer trajectory.

20 minutes ago, TheFutureIsNear said:

Damn apparently Cleveland is that hard up for cash that they’re trading Naylor for a draft pick?

 

Also, how the hell did the Yankees not beat this offer instead of signing 37 year old Goldschmidt?

I think all of these RSN going under is going to change the face of baseball and will lead to a long lockout in 2026.

Maybe Cleveland’s buffet budget was out of control with him around. 

18 minutes ago, ptatc said:

I think all of these RSN going under is going to change the face of baseball and will lead to a long lockout in 2026.

But they really only saved $2 million for next season’s payroll, as they just signed Carlos Santana for $12 million.

25 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:

Thank god that big bastard is out of the division.  He was on a Mike Sweeney level all time Sox killer trajectory.

Let’s hope his brothers don’t carry the torch

9 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

But they really only saved $2 million for next season’s payroll, as they just signed Carlos Santana for $12 million.

I know. That's really shows something. It doesn't look like it was for talent. Looks like they are trying to save everything they can.

How long was Naylor under Cleveland control?

Always getting hurt and must have been concerned about his conditioning…but production-wise, yuck.

Depends on Manzardo taking the next step.

4 minutes ago, ptatc said:

I know. That's really shows something. It doesn't look like it was for talent. Looks like they are trying to save everything they can.

How long was Naylor under Cleveland control?

But then turning around and signing Santana at his age is puzzling at best.  At some point he will fall off a cliff like Abreu did.

Slade Cecconi is totally going to become another strong reliever for them isn’t he

9 minutes ago, ptatc said:

I know. That's really shows something. It doesn't look like it was for talent. Looks like they are trying to save everything they can.

How long was Naylor under Cleveland control?

Should be a free agent next offseason 

12 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

Should be a free agent next offseason 

Yeah, they knew they weren't going to re-sign him so they got at least something for him.

1 hour ago, ptatc said:

I think all of these RSN going under is going to change the face of baseball and will lead to a long lockout in 2026.

The Athletic earlier this week had a story asking the same question although the way they phrased it, it would be because the owners yet again would be willing to shut down a season to try to get a salary cap instituted.

Good luck with that folks!

The good news will be that unlike in 1981 and 1994 it won't hurt good Sox teams or blunt positive momentum because the team will be awful again that year.  

53 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

The Athletic earlier this week had a story asking the same question although the way they phrased it, it would be because the owners yet again would be willing to shut down a season to try to get a salary cap instituted.

Good luck with that folks!

The good news will be that unlike in 1981 and 1994 it won't hurt good Sox teams or blunt positive momentum because the team will be awful again that year.  

I'm at the point that if baseball goes away for 2 seasons , I'm completely fine with that.

They need a cap, and as important,  they need a floor.

 

That dude killed us glad he's gone.

12 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said:

That dude killed us glad he's gone.

lmao everyone kills us. 

4 hours ago, Balta1701 said:

Slade Cecconi is totally going to become another strong reliever for them isn’t he

I bet they try him as a starter, right? He has the pitch mix and it's his fastball that got touched up (though sits at 95mph) despite being projected as someone who "needs to work on his offspeed to be a starter". The offspeed stuff is OK. He hasn't looked very good in the majors and had more success as a reliever at AAA. But Cleveland is a competent organization so I imagine it's a little more than a salary dump and I think he gets some starts or otherwise acts as a swingman.

I potentially like the trade for CLE more than for AZ. AZ is replacing Walker with Naylor which seems like a downgrade or at least a lateral move. They could've paid Walker $6m more AAV than Naylor and kept him. I liked the Gimenez trade too, Cleveland trades their guys at the right time, I don't think Naylor or Gimenez are going to play better baseball than they have going forward. Naylor kills the Sox, but he kinda sucks, his 162 game average WAR is 1.6. Eerily close batting numbers as Andrew Vaughn at more than twice the price. 

Edited December 22, 20241 yr by nrockway