Sox Claim Brandon Eisert, Designate Steven Wilson, Wilson clears waivers

[Y2Jimmy0]

42 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Is that how you feel about Robert then? Because Cease has a better history of health than Robert.

I hope they hold Robert but it scares the s%*# out of me

[caulfield12]

"He wasn’t a headline piece of the return by any means, but the Sox surely hoped that he could build off two solid seasons to begin his career as a member of the Padres’ bullpen. From 2022-23, Wilson totaled 106 innings of 3.48 ERA ball with a 25.4% strikeout rate, 10.9% walk rate, 1.19 HR/9, 27 holds and a save.

Things didn’t pan out as hoped. Wilson had multiple IL stints due to back strains, saw his fastball velocity dip from 94.5 mph to 93.4 mph on average, and served up eight homers in just 34 1/3 innings (2.08 HR/9). His 20.9% strikeout rate and 16% walk rate were both career-worst marks."

mlbtraderumors.com

 

[WestEddy]

2 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

He's 2-3 years away right now.

The bigger problem is that he's not a CFer in the same way Montgomery isn't a major league SS.

That puts even more pressure on his bat.

Who is saying that Zavala isn't a CF? Anything I can put my hands on says he still projects as a CF. 

[caulfield12]

17 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Who is saying that Zavala isn't a CF? Anything I can put my hands on says he still projects as a CF. 

"Zavala can hold down center field for now with his good instincts. His arm strength may be his best defensive asset and will serve him well if he eventually moves to right field. Lessening his defensive responsibilities would put more pressure on his bat..."

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/samuel-zavala-694214?stats=career-r-hitting-milb

The biggest concern is his frame and losing speed as he gains weight and gets older...he's certainly not a pure CFer, and a move to a corner seems forthcoming.

[WestEddy]

13 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

"Zavala can hold down center field for now with his good instincts. His arm strength may be his best defensive asset and will serve him well if he eventually moves to right field. Lessening his defensive responsibilities would put more pressure on his bat..."

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/samuel-zavala-694214?stats=career-r-hitting-milb

The biggest concern is his frame and losing speed as he gains weight and gets older...he's certainly not a pure CFer, and a move to a corner seems forthcoming.

Yeah, even Keith Law didn't say he wasn't a CF in his scathing write-up. I believe that's said that about most CFs. It was said of Robert that he would move to a corner as he bulked up. 

[caulfield12]

6 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Yeah, even Keith Law didn't say he wasn't a CF in his scathing write-up. I believe that's said that about most CFs. It was said of Robert that he would move to a corner as he bulked up. 

No team's going to move Luis Robert out of CF unless he's hurt.

He's had 2 seasons where he was clearly the best or one of the top 2 with Kiermaier in the entire sport.

It's highly unlikely he's going to add that much more mass/bulk until he's in his 30s.  The constant injuries are what has impacted his game more than anything...

 

The jury is still out on Zavala.

He's going to have to hit 100 points higher and be at least above average in CF to have any value at all.

[WestEddy]

5 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

No team's going to move Luis Robert out of CF unless he's hurt.

He's had 2 seasons where he was clearly the best or one of the top 2 with Kiermaier in the entire sport.

It's highly unlikely he's going to add that much more mass/bulk until he's in his 30s.  The constant injuries are what has impacted his game more than anything...

 

The jury is still out on Zavala.

He's going to have to hit 100 points higher and be at least above average in CF to have any value at all.

When Luis Robert Jr. was still a prospect, it was said of him that as he bulked up, he would probably move to a corner. Of course the jury is still out on Zavala. He's an A-ball prospect, for heaven's sake. 

[caulfield12]

5 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

When Luis Robert Jr. was still a prospect, it was said of him that as he bulked up, he would probably move to a corner. Of course the jury is still out on Zavala. He's an A-ball prospect, for heaven's sake. 

He has been the same basic size since 2018...he has always been a monster physically, the concern was that he was so ripped that it would lead to more injuries rather than less.  Maybe he has gained another 10-15 pounds from injuries/inactivity.

Right now he's the only true plus defender...along with Rojas, on the major league roster.

Nobody is moving him out of CF when half of his value prior to last season came fromaying GG level defense.

If he can't get back?to that level due to injuries or hesitation/lost confidence...his trade value plummets from the stratosphere to the basement.

[WestEddy]

16 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

He has been the same basic size since 2018...he has always been a monster physically, the concern was that he was so ripped that it would lead to more injuries rather than less.  Maybe he has gained another 10-15 pounds from injuries/inactivity.

Right now he's the only true plus defender...along with Rojas, on the major league roster.

Nobody is moving him out of CF when half of his value prior to last season came fromaying GG level defense.

If he can't get back?to that level due to injuries or hesitation/lost confidence...his trade value plummets from the stratosphere to the basement.

Nobody is saying to move Robert into a corner, now. I clearly stated that when Robert was a prospect, people who wrote about prospects said that about him. Is there another poster with the same name you're having a different conversation with? You seem so desperate to s%*#-post on Zavala, you're making up things to argue with. I agree with you that the jury's still out on Zavala. Mostly because he's a 19-year-old in A-ball, and the jury's still out on every 19-year-old in A-ball or lower. 

Maybe the White Sox should trade or cut Zavala, then Zavala will rise to the level of top prospect for you and WS23, and you'll start arguing that surely he was the team's answer in CF for the next decade. LOL. 

[Dick Allen]

40 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

When Luis Robert Jr. was still a prospect, it was said of him that as he bulked up, he would probably move to a corner. Of course the jury is still out on Zavala. He's an A-ball prospect, for heaven's sake. 

Scouts have questioned how he acts on the field for two years now, citing low energy and pouting behavior, which really has to stop now — he’s 20, not a child, and he’s going to mope his way out of baseball. He was a top-100 guy before but at this point he’s barely a prospect.

 

There jury may be out, but they seem to be coming back soon. A ball and you have these issues? Anything from him at this point is gravy, and a feather in your boys cap. Why can’t the Sox acquire guys who at least seem to like playing baseball?

[WestEddy]

24 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

There jury may be out, but they seem to be coming back soon. A ball and you have these issues? Anything from him at this point is gravy, and a feather in your boys cap. Why can’t the Sox acquire guys who at least seem to like playing baseball?

I agree. He should grow up. I haven't found any prospect write-up that says he's not a CF. 

[WhiteSox2023]

18 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

I agree. He should grow up. I haven't found any prospect write-up that says he's not a CF. 

Yeah, he’s more like a fourth outfielder at best.

[Dick Allen]

54 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

I agree. He should grow up. I haven't found any prospect write-up that says he's not a CF. 

Now you do. Here’s Law last year befor the Sox acquired him

 His defense took a step back last year and he is all but certain to end up in a corner. Scouts commented on a lack of focus on defense and even sometimes in the box as well

 

[WestEddy]

13 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

Now you do. Here’s Law last year befor the Sox acquired him

 His defense took a step back last year and he is all but certain to end up in a corner. Scouts commented on a lack of focus on defense and even sometimes in the box as well

 

Oh well. I guess I'll go have myself a good cry. 

The point is to keep signing, drafting and trading for CFs, SSs and Catchers. Most of them move to other positions. 

[WhiteSox2023]

57 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Oh well. I guess I'll go have myself a good cry. 

The point is to keep signing, drafting and trading for CFs, SSs and Catchers. Most of them move to other positions. 

[WestEddy]

18 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Whatever. Most of what I've read about Zavala has him in CF. One rant by Keith Law doesn't change that. The fact that the guy who gave JR $80k of his hard earned money could only find one article from over a year ago supports my assertion. 

But hey, pretend to be dunking on me over...still being right. 

[WhiteSox2023]

11 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Whatever. Most of what I've read about Zavala has him in CF. One rant by Keith Law doesn't change that. The fact that the guy who gave JR $80k of his hard earned money could only find one article from over a year ago supports my assertion. 

But hey, pretend to be dunking on me over...still being right. 

Too late.  @Dick Allen already did.

[Dick Allen]

26 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Whatever. Most of what I've read about Zavala has him in CF. One rant by Keith Law doesn't change that. The fact that the guy who gave JR $80k of his hard earned money could only find one article from over a year ago supports my assertion. 

But hey, pretend to be dunking on me over...still being right. 

Seriously I did a 10 second Google search.  And the fact is JR has more than 80k of my money, but I’m fine with it.as I said, when I was spending money on the team, I enjoyed attending the games. But I’m glad you are holding out hope a guy with a .174 carrier average in high A who apparently has a bad attitude to boot maybe, possibly, perhaps….can be the future CF for the next 121 loss White Sox team even though you have never seen him play, and those who have and get paid to evaluate, say he can’t.  And why do you “think” that? Why Chris Getz of course.

Edited February 8 by Dick Allen

[WhiteSox2023]

7 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

Seriously I did a 10 second Google search.  And the fact is JR has more than 80k of my money, but I’m fine with it.as I said, when I was spending money on the team, I enjoyed attending the games. But I’m glad you are holding out hope a guy with a .174 carrier average in high A who apparently has a bad attitude to boot maybe, possibly, perhaps….can be the future CF for the next 121 loss White Sox team even though you have never seen him play, and those who have and get paid to evaluate, say he can’t.  And why do you “think” that? Why Chris Getz of course.

Zavala will have to steal the outfield job away from Fletcher first.  🤣

[Dick Allen]

14 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Zavala will have to steal the outfield job away from Fletcher first.  🤣

He even tried to spin the Maldonado signing. Hes drunk on the Getz Kool aid. And  it’s OK to be overwhelmed, his words , at the trade deadline, when all you have is the teams future at stake.

Edited February 8 by Dick Allen

[WhiteSox2023]

8 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

He even tried to spin the Maldonado signing. He drunk on the Getz Kool aid. And  it’s OK to be overwhelmed, his words , at the trade deadline, when all you have is the teams future at stake.

Yep, the awful moves are literally glaringly obvious to anyone else but he manages to sugarcoat it all.  Brooks Boyer should hire him to a new position — White Sox Lead Apologist.

[Dick Allen]

9 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Yep, the awful moves are literally glaringly obvious to anyone else but he manages to sugarcoat it all.  Brooks Boyer should hire him to a new position — White Sox Lead Apologist.

 

9 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Yep, the awful moves are literally glaringly obvious to anyone else but he manages to sugarcoat it all.  Brooks Boyer should hire him to a new position — White Sox Lead Apologist.

It’s really just an awful thing for White Sox fans to complain about the state of the franchise. If the taxpayers did JR right, they would build him a new $2 billion stadium so he could make enough money to compete. But because they won’t, he’s just going to have to fly his private jet down to Nashville to see if he can get a better deal.

[Timmy U]

I’m just curious, who on this board has watched Zavala play?  I have and he’s decent in center. Deceptively fast. Real question with him is syncing up the swing. If he does, he’ll walk a lot, above average power, stolen bases and a good arm. If he doesn’t, he’ll never get out of AA. Probably the 3rd best outfield prospect in a system with very few legit outfielders. Personally, I am rooting for him.

[WestEddy]

9 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

It’s really just an awful thing for White Sox fans to complain about the state of the franchise.

I really want you to complain about the state of the franchise. Do you understand that sentence? I fully support you in doing that. Let me know when you're going to start. Telling me that you find me rooting for a minor leaguer to aspire to being a 4th OF in the bigs to be hilarious isn't you complaining about the state of the franchise. It's you making up things to impress people whose opinions mean so much to you. 

So please, guy who paid for Jerry Reinsdorf's last $80k pair of shoes, please, please, please complain about the state of the franchise. I promise I will click on "thank you" emojis when you do it, just to show you how much I want you to actually complain about the state of the franchise, and not just whine that everybody else isn't as miserable as you are. 

[Balta1701]

19 minutes ago, Timmy U said:

I’m just curious, who on this board has watched Zavala play?  I have and he’s decent in center. Deceptively fast. Real question with him is syncing up the swing. If he does, he’ll walk a lot, above average power, stolen bases and a good arm. If he doesn’t, he’ll never get out of AA. Probably the 3rd best outfield prospect in a system with very few legit outfielders. Personally, I am rooting for him.

There is a difference between hoping for the best for a guy in the White Sox’s system and being over the top positive  because you cant acknowledge that the GM did a bad job in his trade.