5 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

We could already be right around there and it wouldn’t be Canario’s fault either way.

Getting 2 wins out of RF next year would be a 4 win improvement vs. 2024.  I am all for playing young guys where possible, but you can’t force the issue by inserting a guy you don’t believe in into the lineup.  Just being “young” is not justification to be given playing time.

10 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

So you think the centerpiece of a Fedde/Kopech trade just seven months ago should be cut bait because of two bad months with the Sox?

I think Cali is defending Venable for his answer, and then asking who else should get PAs at 3rd. He doesn't seem to be saying to cut Vargas. 

I can't argue against Vargas getting majority of the playing time at 3B. One time former top prospect should be playing there in a lost year. Ramos can wait his turn. I think its weird that they signed a 3B, who's best attribute is his defense at 3B, to play 2B. He may be the backup, but again, we do have depth at those 2 spots. Need a little more coverage at SS by someone at least average there defensively.

Not a lot of money and he probably doesn't survive the season so it's whatever.

Edited February 25, 20251 yr by Bob Sacamano

48 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

So you think the centerpiece of a Fedde/Kopech trade just seven months ago should be cut bait because of two bad months with the Sox?

When did I say that ? I wasnt being sarcastic. I was sticking up for your points. There is a pecking order and I have always maintained in numerous posts that Vargas and Sosa are at the top.

I have no idea how you misinterpreted that post .

Edited February 25, 20251 yr by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

5 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

When did I say that ? I wasnt being sarcastic. I was sticking up for your points. There is a pecking order and I have always maintained in numerous posts that Vargas and Sosa are at the top.

Oh gotcha…I read it as you were saying it wasn’t stupid to cut bait on Vargas.

8 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Oh gotcha…I read it as you were saying it wasn’t stupid to cut bait on Vargas.

No I was saying that you called it stupid but I wouldn't use that word because it's like youre calling the other person stupid because their argument is stupid and that makes it personal.

 

8 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

No I was saying that you called it stupid but I wouldn't use that word because it's like youre calling the other person stupid because their argument is stupid and that makes it personal.

 

My point was the Sox would be stupid if they changed their evaluation of Vargas that quickly, especially when they knew he didn’t have options.  If they were willing to admit they missed that bad that fast, then they should fire Gene Watson immediately for being an incompetent boob.

Sounds like no subscription required if you're in area. Also free game of the day on MLBTV.

1 hour ago, Autumn Dreamin said:

Sounds like no subscription required if you're in area. Also free game of the day on MLBTV.

Granted this is a lot of "if" but...

If some of these kid pitchers are the real deal...

If they can stay healthy...

With new Sox ownership, maybe in four or five years they won't automatically be looking to trade them because they may actually be willing to take a risk and sign them to longer deals/extensions.

One can only dream. 

 

1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said:

Granted this is a lot of "if" but...

If some of these kid pitchers are the real deal...

If they can stay healthy...

With new Sox ownership, maybe in four or five years they won't automatically be looking to trade them because they may actually be willing to take a risk and sign them to longer deals/extensions.

One can only dream. 

 

Cannon and Thorpe right now (before the Big 3) are the only even 50/50 possibilities sticking around.

Martin seems likely to be traded.

Perez for sure will be traded if he's anywhere close to second half 2024 results with the Padres.

Wilson if they don't need to keep him to eat innings and protect the next wave.

Scholtens...not even sure he's long for baseball, let alone representing any type of trade value when/if he returns.

 

But the next wave is Iriarte, Mason Adams, Ky Bush, Nastrini, Carela, Eder (likely a reliever from all indications)...Berroa, but he might already be out (with elbow injury) and he's once again more likely a reliever.  There are a LOT of dudes and the overall depth seems better, but what's the actual quality of that depth?

Edited February 26, 20251 yr by caulfield12

9 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Cannon and Thorpe right now (before the Big 3) are the only even 50/50 possibilities sticking around.

Martin seems likely to be traded.

Perez for sure will be traded if he's anywhere close to second half 2024 results with the Padres.

Wilson if they don't need to keep him to eat innings and protect the next wave.

Scholtens...not even sure he's long for baseball, let alone representing any type of trade value when/if he returns.

 

But the next wave is Iriarte, Mason Adams, Ky Bush, Nastrini, Carela, Eder (likely a reliever from all indications)...Berroa, but he might already be out (with elbow injury) and he's once again more likely a reliever.  There are a LOT of dudes and the overall depth seems better, but what's the actual quality of that depth?

Sean Burke says, Hi.

14 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Cannon and Thorpe right now (before the Big 3) are the only even 50/50 possibilities sticking around.

Martin seems likely to be traded.

Perez for sure will be traded if he's anywhere close to second half 2024 results with the Padres.

Wilson if they don't need to keep him to eat innings and protect the next wave.

Scholtens...not even sure he's long for baseball, let alone representing any type of trade value when/if he returns.

 

But the next wave is Iriarte, Mason Adams, Ky Bush, Nastrini, Carela, Eder (likely a reliever from all indications)...Berroa, but he might already be out (with elbow injury) and he's once again more likely a reliever.  There are a LOT of dudes and the overall depth seems better, but what's the actual quality of that depth?

Berroa is 100% a reliever.

This is just the list of dudes in AAA and above who will likely make starts this year:

1. Davis Martin
2. Jonathan Cannon
3. Martin Perez
4. Sean Burke
5. Bryse Wilson
6. Shane Smith
7. Drew Thorpe
8. Nick Nastrini
9. Jairo Iriarte
10. Mason Adams
11. Owen White

That seems like pretty good depth for one season before the Big 3 and other arms start hitting.

5 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Berroa is 100% a reliever.

This is just the list of dudes in AAA and above who will likely make starts this year:

1. Davis Martin
2. Jonathan Cannon
3. Martin Perez
4. Sean Burke
5. Bryse Wilson
6. Shane Smith
7. Drew Thorpe
8. Nick Nastrini
9. Jairo Iriarte
10. Mason Adams
11. Owen White

That seems like pretty good depth for one season before the Big 3 and other arms start hitting.

You ranked Smith that high because he has to stay on the roster or be offered back...or you're unsure about Thorpe's long-term viability as a starter/health/injury status?

Or both?

Nastrini arguably could be lower than Iriarte, but that's not really a big difference obviously.

7 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

You ranked Smith that high because he has to stay on the roster or be offered back...or you're unsure about Thorpe's long-term viability as a starter/health/injury status?

Or both?

Nastrini arguably could be lower than Iriarte, but that's not really a big difference obviously.

I believe he listed out people who will "make starts" this year. Thorpe will probably start the season on rehab. There will be double-headers. There will be trades. There will be injuries and fatigue. I'd say 13-14 pitchers made "starts" for the Sox last year. (non-bullpen games)

43 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

You ranked Smith that high because he has to stay on the roster or be offered back...or you're unsure about Thorpe's long-term viability as a starter/health/injury status?

Or both?

Nastrini arguably could be lower than Iriarte, but that's not really a big difference obviously.

It was honestly just about immediate likelihood of grabbing a role.  Smith would be second to last if the list was based on ability to retain a role long term.  My point is we can easily survive trading Davis Martin and covering the innings.

1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:

Cannon and Thorpe right now (before the Big 3) are the only even 50/50 possibilities sticking around.

Martin seems likely to be traded.

Perez for sure will be traded if he's anywhere close to second half 2024 results with the Padres.

Wilson if they don't need to keep him to eat innings and protect the next wave.

Scholtens...not even sure he's long for baseball, let alone representing any type of trade value when/if he returns.

 

But the next wave is Iriarte, Mason Adams, Ky Bush, Nastrini, Carela, Eder (likely a reliever from all indications)...Berroa, but he might already be out (with elbow injury) and he's once again more likely a reliever.  There are a LOT of dudes and the overall depth seems better, but what's the actual quality of that depth?

I was specifically referring to Schultz, Hagen and Taylor myself, that's why I said in four or five years. 

Good pitching on deck today, looking forward to seeing Schultz/Hagen/Burke today I think?

After a three-up, three-down second, Sasaki seemed to lose some steam in the third inning, bookending a well-struck drive from White Sox prospect Tim Elko with a pair of walks to end his outing.

• Get tickets: Dick Allen bobble, Comiskey Park radio & much more

"It's exciting for those guys to compete against Sasaki and the other pitchers today," White Sox director of player development Paul Janish said. "Pretty cool to be part of the first time [Sasaki] faced opposing hitters. We are hopeful both of those guys (Teel/Elko) give themselves a chance to play in the Major Leagues this season."

mlb.com

 

23 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said:

Granted this is a lot of "if" but...

If some of these kid pitchers are the real deal...

If they can stay healthy...

With new Sox ownership, maybe in four or five years they won't automatically be looking to trade them because they may actually be willing to take a risk and sign them to longer deals/extensions.

One can only dream. 

 

If they can't scout and develop position players........they will be trading them and of course they will draft pitchers and let the cycle repeat.

 

13 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

 

Burke feels like a lock for sure.

11 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Burke feels like a lock for sure.

I would probably start the season with Wilson in the rotation as well.  If he can put up a good first half of starts, I’ve gotta think he could net a decent prospect considering he is only earning $1.05 million this year and isn’t a free agent until 2027.  Wilson is arbitration eligible next offseason.

7 hours ago, Autumn Dreamin said:

 

You have to get on base first in order to steal...

1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

I would probably start the season with Wilson in the rotation as well.  If he can put up a good first half of starts, I’ve gotta think he could net a decent prospect considering he is only earning $1.05 million this year and isn’t a free agent until 2027.  Wilson is arbitration eligible next offseason.

How does that work then if he signed a one year deal this offseason? The Sox can still retain him via arbitration for 2026 if they chose to?