southsider2k5 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 2 hours ago, WestEddy said: Velocity has never been the issue Chuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vilehoopster Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 7 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Velocity has never been the issue Chuck. Yes, it's the strike zone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 2 hours ago, vilehoopster said: A couple things before hand. I see Gallo being this year's Mousotakas, cut before the season starts. Last year Cease got traded before ST was over because he was really great in ST. I don't see that with Robert. He'll be completely unmotivated like he was as the trade deadline approached last year; this nick or injury and chasing balls low and away. He'll be starting in CF for the Sox, and we hope he shows something so we can trade him at the deadline. So, here's my lineup, (not so much bench pieces). 1. Vaughn at 1st 2. Drury at 2B. He will be this year's DeJoung. The Sox will hope he has 10 or 12 home runs by the deadline and they can flip him. Then it's Sosa 3. At SS will be Rojas to start the season. All this talk from Merkin and the Sox PR people that Colson has a great chance to leave ST as the starting SS is total BS, and the fact that they're all saying it, makes me really think it is BS. They want that extra year of control. When the time is over, then he'll come up. 4. Vargas at 3rd. Rojas will be the back up with Vargas doing some 1st and DH. 5. in LF, a platoon of Fletcher and Stater. 6. In CF, Robert until the deadline and Getz will be forced to give him away because his stats will be less bad than last year, but still not very good for him. Then Taylor. 7. LF - Benintendi 8. At catcher: first Lee and Thaiss. The two minor league guys will be up after the all-star game. Starting pitching -- I am really concerned with this. I keep hearing on various podcasts that it seems likely at Perez will be our opening day pitcher. If this is true, the rotation is in horrible shape, horrible. What is Perez? The 3rd, 4th, or 5th starter on a team with a real rotation? If we can't get, at least, two starters clearly better than Perez, our rotation will be terrible. I don't know; maybe the Sox will have him as their opening day starter to give him some false credit so we can flip him later. This is who I see as the Sox best starting pitchers in order: a. Cannon b. Martin c. Perez d. Wilson e. Burke But if anyone knows me on this board, I am a huge Thorpe fan. If he is not injured, (that is a big if) I see him as the ace of the staff when he comes up, maybe after a 3 or 4 weeks. I don't know about the bullpen. Let me use the same logic for Anderson as I did for Perez. If Anderson is our closer more than a few weeks into the season, the bullpen must be and will be absolutely terrible. So that's my opinion. I hope a lot of this lineup stuff doesn’t happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 (edited) 1 hour ago, vilehoopster said: Yes, it's the strike zone. More the shape of his fastball Edited February 15 by Chicago White Sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46DidIt Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 On 2/14/2025 at 6:58 PM, 46DidIt said: Lee, Thais, Vaughn, Sosa, Meidroth, Baldwin, Vargas, Rojas, Benintendi, Taylor,Tauchaman,Slater,Fletcher Is my prediction on the batter side Perez, B. Wilson, Martin, Cannon, Thorpe Karinchak, Anderson, Booser, Berroa, Varland, Shuster, Ellard, Burke I think Wilson was promised a starting role until he’s traded, based off nothing other than I think he could have signed somewhere better for as much or more had he accepted a bullpen role. Only makes sense for Perez or him to sign with Sox if they believe they are in line for starts imo. Burke in swing role depending on Thorpe’s availability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 6 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: Velocity has never been the issue Chuck. I actually do think velocity was a significant issue last season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Iriarte’s K rate dropped over 30% in 2024. Fegan has pointed out that some mechanical issues caused his 4 seamer to be more sinker like. If they can get his fastball shape to return to form, then he’s a guy who could certainly factor into the rotation at some point this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Updated with Steamer 600 wRC+ and fWAR projections: Lineup: 1B: Vaughn (111 | 1.2) 2B: Sosa (95 | 1.8) SS: Baldwin# (91 | 1.9) 3B: Rojas* (95 | 1.9) LF: Benintendi* (105 | 0.9) CF: Taylor (74 | 0.7) RF: Tauchman* (109 | 1.8) DH: Vargas (104 | 1.6) CA: Lee (74 | 0.1) Bench / NRIs / Reinforcements: IF: Meidroth (107 | 2.9) CA: Quero (97 | 2.3) CA: Teel (94 | 2.1) IF: C. Montgomery (80 | 1.3) OF: Slater (97 | 1.2) IF: Amaya (77 | 1.0) CA: Thais (92 | 0.8) IF: Ramos (92 | 0.8) IF: Drury (93 | 0.5) OF: Colas (88 | 0.1) OF: Fletcher (82 | 0.0) OF: Gallo (87 | -0.1) OF: DeLoach (84 | -0.8) IF: Dalbec (79 | -1.0) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 Updated 26 man roster projection: Lineup: 1B: Vaughn 2B: Rojas* SS: Baldwin# 3B: Vargas LF: Benintendi* CF: Taylor RF: Tauchman* DH: Sosa CA: Lee Bench: BC: Thaiss* IF: Amaya OF: Slater UT: Drury Rotation: Perez* Martin Cannon Burke Wilson Bullpen: CL: Anderson SU: Varland SU: Berroa MR: Clevinger (🤮) MR: Booser* MR: Murfee MR: Gilbert* LR: Smith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 The main changes are Vargas moving from DH to 3B, Rojas moving from 3B to 2B, and Sosa moving from 2B to DH (ultimately just a primary position shift as all guys were on the roster previously). Additionally, have added Clevinger to the bullpen (again, not what I would do). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 55 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Updated 26 man roster projection: Lineup: 1B: Vaughn 2B: Rojas* SS: Baldwin# 3B: Vargas LF: Benintendi* CF: Taylor RF: Tauchman* DH: Sosa CA: Lee Bench: BC: Thaiss* IF: Amaya OF: Slater UT: Drury Rotation: Perez* Martin Cannon Burke Wilson Bullpen: CL: Anderson SU: Varland SU: Berroa MR: Clevinger (🤮) MR: Booser* MR: Murfee MR: Gilbert* LR: Smith I'd be pretty surprised if Luis Robert is moved prior to opening day 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 13 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: I'd be pretty surprised if Luis Robert is moved prior to opening day For now, I’m going to assume an end of Spring Training trade. I just get a bad feeling that Getz is going to sell before the season starts if he gets any halfway decent offer. And unfortunately, I think someone will when it’s all said & done. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 47 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: For now, I’m going to assume an end of Spring Training trade. I just get a bad feeling that Getz is going to sell before the season starts if he gets any halfway decent offer. And unfortunately, I think someone will when it’s all said & done. I just have no reason to believe that a deal is coming. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 24 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: I just have no reason to believe that a deal is coming. I think this ends up being just like the Cease situation with someone coming in with a just compelling enough offer at the last second to get a deal done. Obviously that’s pure speculation on my part, but I think at least one GM will become a bit desperate as we approach OD and make a play for Robert assuming he’s healthy and looks good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 20 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I think this ends up being just like the Cease situation with someone coming in with a just compelling enough offer at the last second to get a deal done. Obviously that’s pure speculation on my part, but I think at least one GM will become a bit desperate as we approach OD and make a play for Robert assuming he’s healthy and looks good. Hopefully this is what happens cuz you know what’s going to happen if he makes it to the season — he won’t make it to the trade deadline healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 (edited) Anyone else feel like Teel may get a chance on the OD roster with a strong spring? It also allows both catching prospects to work every day at either MLB or AAA. I forgot which thread it was posted in but that write-up sounded really good on him to where I'm in on him winning RoY lol I'm in on him at +4000 odds Edited February 25 by Bob Sacamano 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 1 hour ago, Bob Sacamano said: Anyone else feel like Teel may get a chance on the OD roster with a strong spring? It also allows both catching prospects to work every day at either MLB or AAA. I forgot which thread it was posted in but that write-up sounded really good on him to where I'm in on him winning RoY lol I'm in on him at +4000 odds With the upcoming labor battle, we’d be incredibly smart not to unnecessarily burn service time on guys that don’t need to be on the OD roster. Wait three weeks and get the extra year of control for any prospect of note. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 11 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: With the upcoming labor battle, we’d be incredibly smart not to unnecessarily burn service time on guys that don’t need to be on the OD roster. Wait three weeks and get the extra year of control for any prospect of note. If you're going to keep him down, I would keep him down long enough to where it seems like he couldn't win RoY though. Because then he gets the full year anyway. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 31 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: If you're going to keep him down, I would keep him down long enough to where it seems like he couldn't win RoY though. Because then he gets the full year anyway. That’s fair. To be honest, a half season in AAA is probably reason timeframe for him anyways. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 On 2/15/2025 at 11:50 PM, Y2Jimmy0 said: I actually do think velocity was a significant issue last season. Do you mean that he wasn't throwing as hard as you expected? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 3 hours ago, oldsox said: Do you mean that he wasn't throwing as hard as you expected? Correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Updated 26 man roster projection: Lineup: 1B: Vaughn 2B: Rojas* SS: Baldwin# 3B: Vargas LF: Tauchman* CF: Taylor RF: Fletcher* DH: Sosa CA: Lee Bench: BC: Thaiss* IF: Amaya OF: Slater UT: Drury Rotation: Perez* Martin Cannon Burke Wilson Bullpen: CL: Anderson SU: Varland SU: Berroa MR: Clevinger (🤮) MR: Booser* MR: Murfee MR: Gilbert* LR: Smith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 (edited) 3 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: Updated 26 man roster projection: Lineup: 1B: Vaughn 2B: Rojas* SS: Baldwin# 3B: Vargas LF: Tauchman* CF: Taylor RF: Fletcher* DH: Sosa CA: Lee Bench: BC: Thaiss* IF: Amaya OF: Slater UT: Drury Rotation: Perez* Martin Cannon Burke Wilson Bullpen: CL: Anderson SU: Varland SU: Berroa MR: Clevinger (🤮) MR: Booser* MR: Murfee MR: Gilbert* LR: Smith thoughts: Berroa's out for a bit, right? Anderson's position would seem mighty tenuous. I wonder if they're stretching Gilbert out as a starter. Tristan Gray strikes me as an alternate for Amaya. Looked capable at SS, and hits for power. Edited February 28 by WestEddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 At this rate the 26 roster will be the survivors of the War of Attrition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 So who are we thinking will open the season as the 5th starter? I got Davis, Cannon, Perez, & Burke as locks. That leaves the following as options: Bryse Wilson Shane Smith Jario Iriarte Nick Nastrini Tyler Gilbert Mason Adams I’ve been thinking Wilson would be a gimme all spring with Thorpe out, but now I’m starting to think that someone else could snag this role. As much as I’d like to see an actual kid grab that spot, I have a weird feeling that Gilbert somehow ends up the victor. Just feels like Smith profiles better as a multi-inning reliever and Iriarte & Adams could probably use more time in AAA. Nastrini is a little bit of a wild card here and his Statcast numbers yesterday were pretty decent. I could see him making a case for some sort of Opening Day role. But right now, my money would be Wilson or Gilbert and I’m sort of leaning towards the lefty given we actually went out and traded for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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