ptatc Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 10 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Those in their 40s and above grew up around a pretty autocratic Herm Schneider Sox regime where his word was basically next to God's. Thankfully, times have progressed and the system is much more democratized and player/family-centric. Thats not really true. There were physicians and others. He was just really good at his job. First million dollar AT, rumor has it anyway. Cheap JR knew where to put his money then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 9 minutes ago, ptatc said: Thats not really true. There were physicians and others. He was just really good at his job. First million dollar AT, rumor has it anyway. Cheap JR knew where to put his money then. But he pretty much had an iron grip on anything to do with the players, yes? There was very little ambiguity like the last decade around Sox trainers and conditioning experts....all the different messages from the front office coaches and agents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 38 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: But he pretty much had an iron grip on anything to do with the players, yes? There was very little ambiguity like the last decade around Sox trainers and conditioning experts....all the different messages from the front office coaches and agents. He did for injuries with the physicians. Not the strength and conditioning nor the off season workouts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46DidIt Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 I seriously doubt there was ever a time a team could force a player into a surgery. That sounds downright barbaric. If there was we would have heard of some Curt Flood of forced surgeries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 1 hour ago, mac9001 said: For those interested, every Tommy John since well...Tommy John: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1gQujXQQGOVNaiuwSN680Hq-FDVsCwvN-3AazykOBON0/htmlview?pli=1 14 since the beginning of 2025, and 4 are White Sox? Is that accurate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 24 minutes ago, 46DidIt said: I seriously doubt there was ever a time a team could force a player into a surgery. That sounds downright barbaric. If there was we would have heard of some Curt Flood of forced surgeries Not saying a team should 'force" anyone to have surgery but to also say the team has no say in these matters is also insane in my opinion. They are paying these guys, that gives them some rights too. Again this is all much ado about nothing, all of these guys can get hurt or all of these guys can make miraculous comebacks. This organization is still going to lose 100+ games either way. Just another year hoping to last long enough to see new ownership. But as myself and others have pointed out where this is yet another example of the organization coming across like they have no idea what the hell is going on, misinformation, conflicting comments, real ambiguity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 7 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: 14 since the beginning of 2025, and 4 are White Sox? Is that accurate? That number will be going up...and up...and up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 7 hours ago, chitownsportsfan said: Well s%*#. Only the Sox could target a soft tossing lefty with a "high floor" and have him completely wash out. I got bad news for you… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 (edited) 29 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: 14 since the beginning of 2025, and 4 are White Sox? Is that accurate? Didn’t multiple posters just argue that all teams have this same TJ rate annually with their pitchers? Sox are at 29% for this year, if these numbers are accurate. That seems high out of 30 teams. Edited March 21 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 7 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Didn’t multiple posters just argue that all teams have this same TJ rate annually with their pitchers? Sox are at 29% for this year, if these numbers are accurate. That seems high out of 30 teams. Fire the strength and conditioning staff and pitching coaches. They obviously don't know how to prepare pitchers for spring training. Bannister and Katz must go. /green. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 56 minutes ago, ptatc said: Fire the strength and conditioning staff and pitching coaches. They obviously don't know how to prepare pitchers for spring training. Bannister and Katz must go. /green. I didn’t say that but 29% of all TJ surgeries so far is rather high, no? We definitely need a larger sample size but it’s not looking good so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 15 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: I got bad news for you… Ha, yea, I always just want to say lefty with him, it's like his entire profile is poor man's MB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vilehoopster Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Hey, with Zavala's 2 for 2 performance today against the Reds, can I now prematurely declare that the Sox have clearly won the Cease trade? Because let's be honest, making that statement after two spring training at bats is every bit as valid as all the people pronouncing that the Sox lost the Cease trade. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 16 minutes ago, vilehoopster said: Hey, with Zavala's 2 for 2 performance today against the Reds, can I now prematurely declare that the Sox have clearly won the Cease trade? Because let's be honest, making that statement after two spring training at bats is every bit as valid as all the people pronouncing that the Sox lost the Cease trade. Fair. Where you at on it? At this exact moment in time, is it looking more good or is it looking more bad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 (edited) 1 hour ago, vilehoopster said: Hey, with Zavala's 2 for 2 performance today against the Reds, can I now prematurely declare that the Sox have clearly won the Cease trade? Because let's be honest, making that statement after two spring training at bats is every bit as valid as all the people pronouncing that the Sox lost the Cease trade. Pretty sure it was Zavala’s 467 plate appearances in A+ ball last season where he hit: .187 / .340 / .301 / .641 Edited March 22 by WhiteSox2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 (edited) Drew is going to end up being a bust as the center piece of Cease trade. Edited March 22 by Soxfest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vilehoopster Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Pretty sure it was Zavala’s 467 plate appearances in A+ ball last season where he hit: .187 / .340 / .301 / .641 Wait, we can go back to last year and use stuff from then to evaluate a trade? You see, I didn't understand that. I used to think that it would take years to track all the outcomes of the various players involved in a trade to really determine if a trade was successful or not. But from what I've seen on this thread is that all it takes is a single event like a pitcher leaving a game could completely doom a trade. So conversely, I just thought that Zavala's good day could completely validate and justify that trade completely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vilehoopster Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 20 minutes ago, Soxfest said: Drew is going to end up being a bust as the center piece of Cease trade. I disagree, Drew is going to be the jewel that that makes that trade a success, maybe not next month put it will happen. And really, my crystal ball is just as truthful as yours. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 8 minutes ago, vilehoopster said: Wait, we can go back to last year and use stuff from then to evaluate a trade? You see, I didn't understand that. I used to think that it would take years to track all the outcomes of the various players involved in a trade to really determine if a trade was successful or not. But from what I've seen on this thread is that all it takes is a single event like a pitcher leaving a game could completely doom a trade. So conversely, I just thought that Zavala's good day could completely validate and justify that trade completely. Yes, because 2-2 in a spring training game is equal to losing a player for 12-18 months of injury plus control time, while not including the extra year it takes for many pitchers to get back into form. And yes people are expecting the worst case scenario for Thorpe. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 (edited) 18 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Yes, because 2-2 in a spring training game is equal to losing a player for 12-18 months of injury plus control time, while not including the extra year it takes for many pitchers to get back into form. And yes people are expecting the worst case scenario for Thorpe. Not to mention if Cease has another 3-4 months similar to 2024 he's going to fetch even more for a 2 month rental. Edited March 22 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 1 hour ago, vilehoopster said: Wait, we can go back to last year and use stuff from then to evaluate a trade? You see, I didn't understand that. I used to think that it would take years to track all the outcomes of the various players involved in a trade to really determine if a trade was successful or not. But from what I've seen on this thread is that all it takes is a single event like a pitcher leaving a game could completely doom a trade. So conversely, I just thought that Zavala's good day could completely validate and justify that trade completely. I have no clue what your point is here but the guy was bad in almost 500 plate appearances at A+. A 2 for 2 day would only impress an absolute moron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 (edited) 1 hour ago, vilehoopster said: I disagree, Drew is going to be the jewel that that makes that trade a success, maybe not next month put it will happen. And really, my crystal ball is just as truthful as yours. I hope so. Maybe the Sox will get his injury status right the next time they report it. Edited March 22 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 30 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: I hope so. Maybe the Sox will get his injury status right the next time they report it. Is their reporting of it really that important? Most GMs, owners, managers don't give any more information than they have to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Pitchers get hurt. Not getting a legit position player back in the Cease deal was a failure. That being said, those guys are not really moved anymore. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 1 hour ago, ChiSox59 said: Pitchers get hurt. Not getting a legit position player back in the Cease deal was a failure. That being said, those guys are not really moved anymore. Not willing to write of Zavala yet. This year is a big one. Looks like he made a lot of swing changes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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