Alexander Canario

[southsider2k5]

14 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:

He's a no brainer. We have injuries and that buys him some time to 'prove it'. If it doesn't work by the time the old geezers are healthy and ready, cut him. 

This too.  He can always be cut if he can't be taught to get to his power at a reasonable level.

[T R U]

1 hour ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:

He's a no brainer. We have injuries and that buys him some time to 'prove it'. If it doesn't work by the time the old geezers are healthy and ready, cut him. 

Sorry, best we can do is a 27 year old who can't hit. He is fast though..

[WhiteSox2023]

15 minutes ago, T R U said:

Sorry, best we can do is a 27 year old who can't hit. He is fast though..

And the posters who told me that Getz and the Sox didn’t like Canario cuz he strikes out too much so his bat likely wouldn’t play in the majors.  Check out Jones’ strikeout rate.  🤣

Edited March 26 by WhiteSox2023

[Chicago White Sox]

9 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

And the posters who told me that Getz and the Sox didn’t like Canario cuz he strikes out too much so his bat likely wouldn’t play in the majors.  Check out Jones’ strikeout rate.  🤣

To be fair, Jones has elite speed and provides defense, but I dislike this move even moreso because I’m skeptical he’ll hit enough to be even be a 4th OF.

[caulfield12]

Can we PLEASE have some fucking offense?

I heard over and over again how great Eder was going to be…but Burger was the only player two years ago who was actually fun to watch hit, along with Robert.

I thought baseball was supposed to be about entertaining the fans?

Well, I guess Vargas (and AAA Meidroth) walks are…fun?  No, not really.   Not when nobody can actually drive them in.

[Chicago White Sox]

19 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Can we PLEASE have some fucking offense?

I heard over and over again how great Eder was going to be…but Burger was the only player two years ago who was actually fun to watch hit, along with Robert.

I thought baseball was supposed to be about entertaining the fans?

Well, I guess Vargas (and AAA Meidroth) walks are…fun?  No, not really.   Not when nobody can actually drive them in.

Robert can obviously hit.  I expect an above 100 wRC+ out of Vargas, Meidroth, Baldwin (if he gets playing time), and possibly Sosa.  I think Teel & Quero will be above average hitting catchers when they get called up.   Hell, I’m confident you’ll get a 100+ wRC+ out of a Tauchman / Slater RF platoon.  The problem is beyond Robert, no one is likely to be well above 100 wRC+.  And shockingly, if this all happened, the offense would blow last year’s out of the water.

[fathom]

11 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Robert can obviously hit.  I expect an above 100 wRC+ out of Vargas, Meidroth, Baldwin (if he gets playing time), and possibly Sosa.  I think Teel & Quero will be above average hitting catchers when they get called up.   Hell, I’m confident you’ll get a 100+ wRC+ out of a Tauchman / Slater RF platoon.  The problem is beyond Robert, no one is likely to be well above 100 wRC+.  And shockingly, if this all happened, the offense would blow last year’s out of the water.

Vargas and Meidroth, IMO, are quite far away from the level you think they are.  Slater vs LHP only would be my best guess at someone at that level besides Robert.

[T R U]

38 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

To be fair, Jones has elite speed and provides defense, but I dislike this move even moreso because I’m skeptical he’ll hit enough to be even be a 4th OF.

I don't even think Canario has been officially put on waivers anyways.. so ill at least not pretend we chose this guy over him for now.

[Bob Sacamano]

6 minutes ago, T R U said:

I don't even think Canario has been officially put on waivers anyways.. so ill at least not pretend we chose this guy over him for now.

Probably just holding off until they have to finalize the roster. Think they just picked him for insurance incase there were injuries or found someone to dump Marte on.

[greg775]

This guy has to be added! He is young and his stats from last year actually are reasonably good (majors and minors). Geez get this guy now. He actually might win us a few games with his bat. I'd start him next to Robert on day one.

[greg775]

39 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Can we PLEASE have some fucking offense?

I heard over and over again how great Eder was going to be…but Burger was the only player two years ago who was actually fun to watch hit, along with Robert.

I thought baseball was supposed to be about entertaining the fans?

Well, I guess Vargas (and AAA Meidroth) walks are…fun?  No, not really.   Not when nobody can actually drive them in.

This actually is the best time of year to add once highly regarded now longshot players. Seriously if we add Candelario it's our best acquisition immediately of all the 'stiffs' we've acquired since last season. Except for that big trade.

[southsider2k5]

1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:

Can we PLEASE have some fucking offense?

I heard over and over again how great Eder was going to be…but Burger was the only player two years ago who was actually fun to watch hit, along with Robert.

I thought baseball was supposed to be about entertaining the fans?

Well, I guess Vargas (and AAA Meidroth) walks are…fun?  No, not really.   Not when nobody can actually drive them in.

Who said that?

[caulfield12]

3 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

Who said that?

Go look at the defenders of how you always trade for that once golden left handed arm vs. an older/aging bat first corner prospect profile.

They held onto that argument for quite some time...until ERA walks/control and radar gun readings relegated him to being a reliever, which quickly undercut upside/potential arguments.

At least Burger is on a team many now favor to win the AL again, instead of the hapless Marlins. Especially after everything he's gone through with his kid's health.

Edited March 26 by caulfield12

[southsider2k5]

7 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Go look at the defenders of how you always trade for that once golden left handed arm vs. an older/aging bat first corner prospect profile.

They held onto that argument for quite some time...until ERA walks/control and radar gun readings relegated him to being a reliever, which quickly undercut upside/potential arguments.

At least Burger is on a team many now favor to win the AL again, instead of the hapless Marlins. Especially after everything he's gone through with his kid's health.

No one ever said Eder was going to be great.  That's a lie.

[caulfield12]

10 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

No one ever said Eder was going to be great.  That's a lie.

Put the thread back up from when he was acquired.

There was a TON of hyperbole about his former prospect rankings and potential before injuries...if you were against trading Burger, you were basically declared an idiot.

[southsider2k5]

5 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Put the thread back up from when he was acquired.

There was a TON of hyperbole about his former prospect rankings and potential before injuries...if you were against trading Burger, you were basically declared an idiot.

You put it back up.  People said he had potential, and that Burger didn't meet the Sox timeline.  No one ever said he WOULD be great.  They said he had potential, and could be buying low on a highly regarded lefty prospect.

[caulfield12]

8 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

You put it back up.  People said he had potential, and that Burger didn't meet the Sox timeline.  No one ever said he WOULD be great.  They said he had potential, and could be buying low on a highly regarded lefty prospect.

Fine he would be the equivalent of all the Chase Meidroth love this spring...choose your slightly less glowing adjective.

Meanwhile, it's nearly two years later and not one young hitter who can put up a 775-825 ops yet at the big league level.

Edited March 26 by caulfield12

[southsider2k5]

13 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Fine he would be the equivalent of all the Chase Meidroth love this spring...choose your slightly less glowing adjective.

Meanwhile, it's nearly two years later and not one young hitter who can put up a 775-825 ops yet at the big league level.

So totally the same thing as making up what people said.

[caulfield12]

32 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

So totally the same thing as making up what people said.

Making up?

So a team's #7-10 prospect would be described in what terms, then, pray tell?

Pretty good/decent/fine/so-so?

I suggest you re visit that thread if you're going to say I'm lying.  Great doesn't mean he's going to win the freaking Cy Young award.

(Matt Thornton was great for the Sox for stretches, or Damaso Marte...about the highest most could have ever hoped going by revisionist history.)

Except most weren't assigning a high leverage reliever ceiling at that point in time.

Edited March 26 by caulfield12

[PaleAleSox]

I'm very confused why Caulfield has decided he hates Chase Meidroth. 

[southsider2k5]

5 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said:

I'm very confused why Caulfield has decided he hates Chase Meidroth. 

And what is has to do with what was never actually said about Jake Eder a year and a half ago.

[caulfield12]

26 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

And what is has to do with what was never actually said about Jake Eder a year and a half ago.

Because we're STILL debating the word "great."

Okay, slight internet hyperbole to provoke conversation...gee, that never happens online or specifically around here, right?

So if I said that lots of posters said that Eder would be "very good," then there's no argument at all?

Semantics.

The reason I picked Meidroth is because he's exactly in the same #7-10 prospect range as Eder originally was after the trade.

But hardly anyone would argue Chase is going to be "great."  Or would they run out and buy his currently non-existent jerseys in the Sox souvenir shop?

 

Serviceable is not quite the right word, so "above average" major league production, maybe???

Except Eder was at one point a consensus Top 100 MiLB prospect...something Meidroth has never been classified as.

Whatever the word for Meidroth's CURRENT potential is, it's fair IMO to apply to a prospect at roughly the same level organizationally in a much weaker system two years ago, 45 FV.

[Chicago White Sox]

4 hours ago, fathom said:

Vargas and Meidroth, IMO, are quite far away from the level you think they are.  Slater vs LHP only would be my best guess at someone at that level besides Robert.

I think you undervaluing OBP and focusing way too much on power.  These guys have elite track records of drawing walks.  Over a full season these guys will post well above league average OBP’s.  How much they impact the baseball remains to be seen, but the OBP alone will put them right around the 100 wRC+ mark give or take.  I also refuse to overreact to a bad spring from Meidroth and a bad 2H last year from Vargas where he looked frail as f***.  The stats don’t lie about Chase’s elite plate discipline and plus bat to ball skills and I have watched enough video of him to believe isn’t a pure slap hitter like Madrigal.  And Vargas was such a well regarded prospect in the minors that I refuse to accept what I saw last year was the same dude.  No 60 hit tool player with some pop should look that pathetic and I am optimistic he will at least be a semi-useful hitter.  I am far worried he’ll end up a low end DH than the bad hitter he was last year.

As for the others, Baldwin just looks like a solid all around hitter.  I think with enough runway he will overcome any initial growing pains and be right around league average.  Tauchman has been league average or better against RHP for multiple years so not sure why we should expect anything different.  Sosa is admittedly more boom or bust, but the fact he’s got a swing that maximizes his raw power and is able to regularly square up on the ball gives him a chance to be an above average if he can make some strides on the chase rate.  Honestly, I’m much more worried about Colson coming and being anywhere closer to league average than the guys highlighted above.

[Chicago White Sox]

36 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said:

I'm very confused why Caulfield has decided he hates Chase Meidroth. 

Same here…I mean he did have a bad spring offensively, but by the time you hit your 50’s you should realize spring training results are mostly meaningless.

[caulfield12]

23 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Same here…I mean he did have a bad spring offensively, but by the time you hit your 50’s you should realize spring training results are mostly meaningless.

Well, here we go again.

How many of his at-bats did you actually watch?

Because if you're not giving Venable enough reasons to take him north, well, Will went way out of his way to provide glowing accolades about his defense at 2B and SS as recently as 2-3 days ago...above and beyond anything the eye test would indicate.

But he hardly talked about how he looked at the plate, like, at all.

So it's not the worst thing in the world he's not starting his service time and has to actually earn his recall, not unlike Colson Montgomery.

I'm also not going to be overwhelmed by AA/AAA numbers in the Red Sox system when there are so many offensive stars over there on the position player side.

 

It's all about trust.  Venable doesn't know Meidroth...but he does know, for example, Jankowski, what he can and CAN'T do, very precisely.  But he trusts him to play late inning defense and as a pinch runner (which is exactly the same skill set Greg Jones has but younger, although that's a digression for another day.)

Edited March 27 by caulfield12