October 3, 2025Oct 3 3 minutes ago, kitekrazy said: It's really logic but that is overlooked in baseball and other sports. A guy who works every 5th day vs, people who play a lot more games. It would not be wise to trade a stud pitcher for more pitchers who are not proven but more as a budget move. Oh for a farm system that can produce both. Amazed what some teams pay for an "over the hill based on age" pitcher on they way to the Hall if they can get one season out of them. Having a stud pitcher who can give you 7 innings every 5th day is invaluable. He gives the bullpen a break. Gives your team a chance to win every 5th day. Much more meaningful in the playoffs. Yes, a starting position player who produces, both defensively and offensively, is worth more. I'd argue that Miguel Vargas doesn't have more value than Christopher Sanchez.
October 3, 2025Oct 3 9 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Having a stud pitcher who can give you 7 innings every 5th day is invaluable. He gives the bullpen a break. Gives your team a chance to win every 5th day. Much more meaningful in the playoffs. Yes, a starting position player who produces, both defensively and offensively, is worth more. I'd argue that Miguel Vargas doesn't have more value than Christopher Sanchez. you still have to get there....but having a stud pitcher out with the TJ virus is gonna cost you at least 10 games and no postseason, you still need a healthy offense and a starter who can do the job Hopefully the habit of relying on a pen more than a starter goes away. Pens are often inconsistent. A Crochet was the difference between staying home and then there's the Pirates. Think of some of these older Sox teams would have been great in a post season short series but lacked a lot of everything else.
October 3, 2025Oct 3 1 hour ago, kitekrazy said: It's really logic but that is overlooked in baseball and other sports. A guy who works every 5th day vs, people who play a lot more games. It would not be wise to trade a stud pitcher for more pitchers who are not proven but more as a budget move. Oh for a farm system that can produce both. Amazed what some teams pay for an "over the hill based on age" pitcher on they way to the Hall if they can get one season out of them. That overlooks like a hitter gets to hit once every nine team ABs, while a starting pitcher throws to all nine of them when they are in. Garrett Crochet was 2nd in MLB with 814 batters faced. Looking quickly the leading batters had about 700 PAs.
Thursday at 11:26 PM4 days Author Good time to bump this back. Crochet out there doing crochet things. 6 IP, 3 hits, 8k's. Chase hit a first inning homer but had a world series celebration so we'll give him some bonus points. Montgomery is the most polarizing prospect in MLB. I still say the entire trade comes down to him. You can't just get Teel and utiliedroth for Crochet.
Thursday at 11:38 PM4 days 11 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:Good time to bump this back.Crochet out there doing crochet things. 6 IP, 3 hits, 8k's.Chase hit a first inning homer but had a world series celebration so we'll give him some bonus points.Montgomery is the most polarizing prospect in MLB. I still say the entire trade comes down to him. You can't just get Teel and utiliedroth for Crochet.Solid work.
Friday at 01:19 AM4 days 1 hour ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:Good time to bump this back.Crochet out there doing crochet things. 6 IP, 3 hits, 8k's.Chase hit a first inning homer but had a world series celebration so we'll give him some bonus points.Montgomery is the most polarizing prospect in MLB. I still say the entire trade comes down to him. You can't just get Teel and utiliedroth for Crochet.Only 80 pitches as well. Edited Friday at 01:20 AM4 days by WhiteSox2023
Friday at 02:11 AM4 days 4 minutes ago, nrockway said:hall of fame trajectory. real fun guy to watch pitch.At this point, even Winkelman González needs to turn into a quality reliever or backend starter to make it a decent trade. 🤣 Edited Friday at 02:11 AM4 days by WhiteSox2023
Friday at 02:22 AM4 days 5 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:At this point, even Winkelman González needs to turn into a quality reliever or backend starter to make it a decent trade. 🤣Still like what we got all around. Kristian Campbell and Marcelo Mayer were the guys I liked from the Red Sox, thought Teel was redundant, thought we could've drafted B Montgomery instead of Smith. Turns out Mayer and Campbell are kinda bums and Montgomery I think will be a very good big leaguer. 4 players who look like actual major leaguers, two of whom might be all-stars, seems like as good of value as you could expect. That being said, I would've been very happy to extend Crochet to a giant contract. He's so good. Tigers almost certainly won't extend Skubal and get nothing in exchange, but that would've been a very fun battle to watch over the next 5 or so years.
Friday at 02:30 AM4 days 6 minutes ago, nrockway said:Still like what we got all around. Kristian Campbell and Marcelo Mayer were the guys I liked from the Red Sox, thought Teel was redundant, thought we could've drafted B Montgomery instead of Smith. Turns out Mayer and Campbell are kinda bums and Montgomery I think will be a very good big leaguer. 4 players who look like actual major leaguers, two of whom might be all-stars, seems like as good of value as you could expect.That being said, I would've been very happy to extend Crochet to a giant contract. He's so good. Tigers almost certainly won't extend Skubal and get nothing in exchange, but that would've been a very fun battle to watch over the next 5 or so years.With hindsight, at this point, Roman Anthony shouldn’t have been out of the discussion. Oh well, it is what it is.
Friday at 02:34 AM4 days 8 minutes ago, nrockway said:Still like what we got all around. Kristian Campbell and Marcelo Mayer were the guys I liked from the Red Sox, thought Teel was redundant, thought we could've drafted B Montgomery instead of Smith. Turns out Mayer and Campbell are kinda bums and Montgomery I think will be a very good big leaguer. 4 players who look like actual major leaguers, two of whom might be all-stars, seems like as good of value as you could expect.That being said, I would've been very happy to extend Crochet to a giant contract. He's so good. Tigers almost certainly won't extend Skubal and get nothing in exchange, but that would've been a very fun battle to watch over the next 5 or so years.Mayer may not be a bum. He was hurt for a lot of his rookie season. He has won the starting 2nd base position this spring and had a very productive first game. Way too early to label him a bum. We shall see how he does this year
Friday at 02:35 AM4 days As a big sport fan you see a lot of really amazing talent but you very rarely see excellence. In my life on teams I root for it's been probably like MJ, Megatron and Barry, Derrick for a short time, and then like Sale and Garrett and MB and Frank. I really appreciate Sale and Garrett, even if ultimately the franchise wasn't able to do anything to capitalize on their talents. Same with my poor Lions superstars. If anything it might amplify their excellence to have come out of such horrific environments.
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