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So a lot also depends on whether they can extend either Vargas or Mune instead...since they weren't willing to invest it into pitching.

OFC this could also turn into another Chris Sale/Red Sox (did have the 2018 WS title) contract long term...although Garrett does have another six years left to go in Boston first.

Sale was worth 20.5 fWAR/6 years with Boston, btw.

Edited 8 hours ago8 hr by caulfield12

2 hours ago, Chick Mercedes said:

Luis Robert is still technically alive

Barely

8 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

Now it’s going back in the other direction if Crochet comes back and helps lead Boston to the playoffs…

Just Braden and Meidroth for Crochet suddenly looks quite different, especially if Quero can’t get his head out of his ass the remainder of the season.

This trade would still look better if they could invest the Crochet savings (not signing him long term) into Murakami or Vargas.

Talk about premature. Crochet is fragile AF. Let's see him actually pitch and be effective. It's why I was OK with not extending him early.

41 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Talk about premature. Crochet is fragile AF. Let's see him actually pitch and be effective. It's why I was OK with not extending him early.

It was also premature to declare victory for the Sox as well when Braden Montgomery came up.

Meidroth’s on pace for roughly a 2.8-3.2 fWAR, but it feels like half of SoxTalk wants him replaced…some say Antonacci, others argued Jacob Gonzalez, next it will be Bonemer, etc.

Braden Montgomery would pace in the 3-3.5 range more based on his defense than offense só far, but recently some still left him off their lists of core players, só the jury’s far from out.

Thankfully, it's only an ankle sprain for Teel. His injuries this season certainly have sucked, but the good news is that it's nothing catastrophic. I don't know that a freak play at the plate where he twists his ankle is a sign that he's Luis Robert 2.0.

Even though I hate to be a franchise that trades All-Star pitchers when their price tag passes the $100M mark, I'm still satisfied with us getting Teel, Meidroth, and B Montgomery for Crochet. Heck, we still might eventually even get some usefulness out of Wikelman Gonzalez.

3 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

Talk about premature. Crochet is fragile AF. Let's see him actually pitch and be effective. It's why I was OK with not extending him early.

"Fragile AF" but led baseball in IP last year. Red Sox probably pushed him a little too much last year, but that said all pitchers are fragile.

I do find it fascinating how many times this trade has been put on the TV screen as some big win for the Sox when they're clearly still losing this trade as of today. Teel can't stay healthy and Meidroth has a 287 xwOBA. Monty looking more and more like a player everyday though so that's a big plus.

If Teel doesn't figure it out and get healthy, it'll be very very difficult for the Sox to win this trade even with the injury concerns. Again, some of this trade comes down to timing and maximizing what you could get. If the Sox trade him half way through last year, he has even more value than when they did move him.

As of today, I'm still taking the HOF caliber talent over the outcomes the Sox have gotten. That said, I've always been a Teel believer and still am so I think there's still hope.

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12 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

"Fragile AF" but led baseball in IP last year. Red Sox probably pushed him a little too much last year, but that said all pitchers are fragile.

I do find it fascinating how many times this trade has been put on the TV screen as some big win for the Sox when they're clearly still losing this trade as of today. Teel can't stay healthy and Meidroth has a 287 xwOBA. Monty looking more and more like a player everyday though so that's a big plus.

If Teel doesn't figure it out and get healthy, it'll be very very difficult for the Sox to win this trade even with the injury concerns. Again, some of this trade comes down to timing and maximizing what you could get. If the Sox trade him half way through last year, he has even more value than when they did move him.

As of today, I'm still taking the HOF caliber talent over the outcomes the Sox have gotten. That said, I've always been a Teel believer and still am so I think there's still hope.

How many arm injuries has Crochet had? Are we really going to pretend that because he hit 200 inning last year that he is now Nolan Ryan? He is literally out today with an arm injury. Again.

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1 hour ago, 77 Hitmen said:

Thankfully, it's only an ankle sprain for Teel. His injuries this season certainly have sucked, but the good news is that it's nothing catastrophic. I don't know that a freak play at the plate where he twists his ankle is a sign that he's Luis Robert 2.0.

Even though I hate to be a franchise that trades All-Star pitchers when their price tag passes the $100M mark, I'm still satisfied with us getting Teel, Meidroth, and B Montgomery for Crochet. Heck, we still might eventually even get some usefulness out of Wikelman Gonzalez.

This was only announced close to an hour ago. Perhaps we need a new title or another thread informing our community. I only see an announcement on The Tribune's website . There should be tweets out there parroting the Tribune's Lamond Pope article.

My uninformed guess is 4 to 6 weeks.

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