So a lot also depends on whether they can extend either Vargas or Mune instead...since they weren't willing to invest it into pitching.

OFC this could also turn into another Chris Sale/Red Sox (did have the 2018 WS title) contract long term...although Garrett does have another six years left to go in Boston first.

Sale was worth 20.5 fWAR/6 years with Boston, btw.

Edited Tuesday at 11:21 AM2 days by caulfield12

2 hours ago, Chick Mercedes said:

Luis Robert is still technically alive

Barely

8 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

Now it’s going back in the other direction if Crochet comes back and helps lead Boston to the playoffs…

Just Braden and Meidroth for Crochet suddenly looks quite different, especially if Quero can’t get his head out of his ass the remainder of the season.

This trade would still look better if they could invest the Crochet savings (not signing him long term) into Murakami or Vargas.

Talk about premature. Crochet is fragile AF. Let's see him actually pitch and be effective. It's why I was OK with not extending him early.

41 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Talk about premature. Crochet is fragile AF. Let's see him actually pitch and be effective. It's why I was OK with not extending him early.

It was also premature to declare victory for the Sox as well when Braden Montgomery came up.

Meidroth’s on pace for roughly a 2.8-3.2 fWAR, but it feels like half of SoxTalk wants him replaced…some say Antonacci, others argued Jacob Gonzalez, next it will be Bonemer, etc.

Braden Montgomery would pace in the 3-3.5 range more based on his defense than offense só far, but recently some still left him off their lists of core players, só the jury’s far from out.

Thankfully, it's only an ankle sprain for Teel. His injuries this season certainly have sucked, but the good news is that it's nothing catastrophic. I don't know that a freak play at the plate where he twists his ankle is a sign that he's Luis Robert 2.0.

Even though I hate to be a franchise that trades All-Star pitchers when their price tag passes the $100M mark, I'm still satisfied with us getting Teel, Meidroth, and B Montgomery for Crochet. Heck, we still might eventually even get some usefulness out of Wikelman Gonzalez.

3 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

Talk about premature. Crochet is fragile AF. Let's see him actually pitch and be effective. It's why I was OK with not extending him early.

"Fragile AF" but led baseball in IP last year. Red Sox probably pushed him a little too much last year, but that said all pitchers are fragile.

I do find it fascinating how many times this trade has been put on the TV screen as some big win for the Sox when they're clearly still losing this trade as of today. Teel can't stay healthy and Meidroth has a 287 xwOBA. Monty looking more and more like a player everyday though so that's a big plus.

If Teel doesn't figure it out and get healthy, it'll be very very difficult for the Sox to win this trade even with the injury concerns. Again, some of this trade comes down to timing and maximizing what you could get. If the Sox trade him half way through last year, he has even more value than when they did move him.

As of today, I'm still taking the HOF caliber talent over the outcomes the Sox have gotten. That said, I've always been a Teel believer and still am so I think there's still hope.

Edited Tuesday at 06:07 PM2 days by Look at Ray Ray Run

12 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

"Fragile AF" but led baseball in IP last year. Red Sox probably pushed him a little too much last year, but that said all pitchers are fragile.

I do find it fascinating how many times this trade has been put on the TV screen as some big win for the Sox when they're clearly still losing this trade as of today. Teel can't stay healthy and Meidroth has a 287 xwOBA. Monty looking more and more like a player everyday though so that's a big plus.

If Teel doesn't figure it out and get healthy, it'll be very very difficult for the Sox to win this trade even with the injury concerns. Again, some of this trade comes down to timing and maximizing what you could get. If the Sox trade him half way through last year, he has even more value than when they did move him.

As of today, I'm still taking the HOF caliber talent over the outcomes the Sox have gotten. That said, I've always been a Teel believer and still am so I think there's still hope.

How many arm injuries has Crochet had? Are we really going to pretend that because he hit 200 inning last year that he is now Nolan Ryan? He is literally out today with an arm injury. Again.

You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill—he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it, and so pass to genuine vindictiveness. But get up, sit down, I beg you. All this, too, is deceitful posturing..."

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1 hour ago, 77 Hitmen said:

Thankfully, it's only an ankle sprain for Teel. His injuries this season certainly have sucked, but the good news is that it's nothing catastrophic. I don't know that a freak play at the plate where he twists his ankle is a sign that he's Luis Robert 2.0.

Even though I hate to be a franchise that trades All-Star pitchers when their price tag passes the $100M mark, I'm still satisfied with us getting Teel, Meidroth, and B Montgomery for Crochet. Heck, we still might eventually even get some usefulness out of Wikelman Gonzalez.

This was only announced close to an hour ago. Perhaps we need a new title or another thread informing our community. I only see an announcement on The Tribune's website . There should be tweets out there parroting the Tribune's Lamond Pope article.

My uninformed guess is 4 to 6 weeks.

Edited Tuesday at 07:11 PM2 days by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

I judge these by the "process" I guess is the term. Crochet was a budding ace: not quite there, but only because he didn't have a full season. In return, we got 2 top 50-60ish prospects and 2 other interesting players. Fair deal and it worked out great.

Overall I'd say that Getz & Co.'s talent evaluation has been solid; I'm less confident in the negotiation aspects of the trades.

Edited Tuesday at 10:26 PM1 day by GreenSox

1 hour ago, GreenSox said:

I judge these by the "process" I guess is the term. Crochet was a budding ace: not quite there, but only because he didn't have a full season. In return, we got 2 top 50-60ish prospects and 2 other interesting players. Fair deal and it worked out great.

Overall I'd say that Getz & Co.'s talent evaluation has been solid; I'm less confident in the negotiation aspects of the trades.

Mayer is apparently not well regarded in the BoSox clubhouse...missed a bullet there.

On 7/21/2026 at 11:12 AM, caulfield12 said:

It was also premature to declare victory for the Sox as well when Braden Montgomery came up.

Meidroth’s on pace for roughly a 2.8-3.2 fWAR, but it feels like half of SoxTalk wants him replaced…some say Antonacci, others argued Jacob Gonzalez, next it will be Bonemer, etc.

Braden Montgomery would pace in the 3-3.5 range more based on his defense than offense só far, but recently some still left him off their lists of core players, só the jury’s far from out.

I don’t think it’s much of a stretch to declare that the Sox have indisputably won this trade, hands-down.

27 minutes ago, JoeC said:

I don’t think it’s much of a stretch to declare that the Sox have indisputably won this trade, hands-down.

They've gotten less WAR out of 4 players than the one guy himself has gotten so far.

I'm literally befuddled as to how people talk about this trade.

But I didnt really make the thread to have running back and forth, just to update on progress so bowing out until next progress update.

5 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

They've gotten less WAR out of 4 players than the one guy himself has gotten so far.

I'm literally befuddled as to how people talk about this trade.

But I didnt really make the thread to have running back and forth, just to update on progress so bowing out until next progress update.

...because Garrett Crochet was an established starting pitcher actively playing in the MLB who was traded for then-minor league prospects who had to both graduate and start, you know, becoming good. Montgomery didn't even debut until well into this season. You'd kind of expect the WAR calculation to tilt in favor of the MLB player in the early years, wouldn't you?

With three MLB-caliber players on the White Sox that WAR scale is obviously going to tilt heavily in Sox favor in the coming years...hell, the coming months, unless two or three of our MLB players are hurt.

Edited yesterday at 05:33 PM1 day by 35thstreetswarm

Actually, as of today, Crochet has put up 6.1 fWAR, and all 4 players the White Sox received have put up 6.1 fWAR, accumulated. Most of that is driven by a slap-hitting second baseman with a tenuous hold on his position, So, yeah, Crochet vs. Meidroth. Yea, Boston barely wins that trade!! LOL.

I would think a generational talent acquired in a trade would dwarf the return in WAR, not struggle to barely beat out an afterthought throw-in.

If we were to play the same dishonest word game with the Chris Sale trade, two years in, the White Sox only reaped 1.8 fWAR from Moncada and Kopech, while Sale was delivering 13.8 fWAR for the Red Sox. In Crochet terms, the Sale trade would look like Chris Sale throwing out his arm struggling to outpitch the production of Luis Alexander Basabe in high-A.

Frankly, I'd be embarrassed to be arguing that Boston won that trade.

44 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

They've gotten less WAR out of 4 players than the one guy himself has gotten so far.

I'm literally befuddled as to how people talk about this trade.

But I didnt really make the thread to have running back and forth, just to update on progress so bowing out until next progress update.

You may have missed the point of my post

Everybody knew his arm was a big risk, even Crochet:

Perhaps a return as a reliever will be considered at some point, though Crochet doesn’t seem to be thinking about that now. He spoke to Healey about his return from another shoulder injury in 2023, but said that situation was different because he was just building up to being a one-inning reliever at that time. Presumably, that means he is still trying to come back as a starter here in 2026.

Time will tell how this season’s comeback plays out. For the future, it seems like Crochet’s contract status will already be impacted. As noted by Healey, Crochet’s deal contains an opt-out after 2030, but only if he doesn’t spend 120 days on the IL at any point for an injury related to his throwing arm. Also, there’s a 2032 club option worth $15MM, unlocked by the same 120-day criterion. He’ll hit that number on August 23.

Since that doesn’t seem to be possible, then it’s basically a lock that Crochet will lose that opt-out chance and the Sox will gain an extra year of control over him. That club option will be his age-33 season but $15MM is mid-rotation starter money, so it would be a bargain for the Sox as long as he’s healthy and reasonably effective at that time. Crochet doesn’t seem too worried about losing the chance to reach the open market.

“It sucks, but I mean, what’s the worst thing that happens? I’m in Boston for another year? Which is pretty good. This is a place that I wanted to be,” Crochet said. “That was a clause that was kind of helping the team mitigate the risk, I suppose. And they knew that there was risk. I knew that there was risk. Last year, it’s like, am I outperforming [his salary]? Or does it matter? And now I get hurt, and it’s like, I’m glad that I secured the protection. What I felt when I signed the contract was that I wanted to outperform the deal. So it sucks, but there’s still time.”

Look man, it feels like RF and 2B have been voids since Dye and Iguchi, so I'll take the dreams provided by Braden and Meidroth right now.

4 minutes ago, Quin said:

Look man, it feels like RF and 2B have been voids since Dye and Iguchi, so I'll take the dreams provided by Braden and Meidroth right now.

Braden is the first guy I feel fairly confident will track a ball down out there since the brief Adam Eaton as healthy starter period. Bat is a WIP but at least he isn't turning singles into triples.

8 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

Braden is the first guy I feel fairly confident will track a ball down out there since the brief Adam Eaton as healthy starter period. Bat is a WIP but at least he isn't turning singles into triples.

I'm pleasantly surprised with his bat so far. I expected him to struggle more than he has. Still needs to work on hitting it on the ground less.

He completely sucks from the right side though.

Edited 3 hours ago3 hr by ron883

16 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

Braden is the first guy I feel fairly confident will track a ball down out there since the brief Adam Eaton as healthy starter period. Bat is a WIP but at least he isn't turning singles into triples.

Also his walk-off was cool as hell

23 hours ago, WestEddy said:

Actually, as of today, Crochet has put up 6.1 fWAR, and all 4 players the White Sox received have put up 6.1 fWAR, accumulated. Most of that is driven by a slap-hitting second baseman with a tenuous hold on his position, So, yeah, Crochet vs. Meidroth. Yea, Boston barely wins that trade!! LOL.

I would think a generational talent acquired in a trade would dwarf the return in WAR, not struggle to barely beat out an afterthought throw-in.

If we were to play the same dishonest word game with the Chris Sale trade, two years in, the White Sox only reaped 1.8 fWAR from Moncada and Kopech, while Sale was delivering 13.8 fWAR for the Red Sox. In Crochet terms, the Sale trade would look like Chris Sale throwing out his arm struggling to outpitch the production of Luis Alexander Basabe in high-A.

Frankly, I'd be embarrassed to be arguing that Boston won that trade.

I'm befuddled.

5 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

I'm befuddled.

And as of this morning, the assembled fWAR of the Crochet return has put up 6.4 fWAR compared to Crochet's 6.1 fWAR.

5 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

And as of this morning, the assembled fWAR of the Crochet return has put up 6.4 fWAR compared to Crochet's 6.1 fWAR.

As of today the assembled Crochet return would also beat Crochet in a fight.

1 hour ago, WestEddy said:

And as of this morning, the assembled fWAR of the Crochet return has put up 6.4 fWAR compared to Crochet's 6.1 fWAR.

🤣I'm not actually befuddled I was using Ray Rays quote about how frankly befuddled he is seeing the national media declaring the Sox won the Crochet trade. I was amusing myself that I thought no one might pick up on why I said that.