MiddleCoastBias Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 I question if we'll even get any value if we exercise the option and trade him in the off-season. He seems like a "motivation" guy, and his struggles can be tied to the whole "holy s%*#, playing for this team is bleak as hell right now", and his recent surge is because he's excited at the prospect of playing on a happier/better team. We saw this with Moncada - dude was killing it playing with his countrymen for Team Cuba in the World Baseball Classic, and then was a bum again weeks later when he was playing for the Sox. I feel if we don't trade Robert now, he's going to be depressed again after having the potential "shiny new team" idea pulled out from under him and have a down second-half, leaving us with a less tradable asset at a $20M price tag. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XplodingScorbord Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 1 hour ago, Bob Sacamano said: Benintendi LF, Baldwin CF, sign a stop gap RF in offseason Maybe Mike Tauchman will be available 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: I see the problem right here. I didn't say giving Robert the option is what Jerry WILL do, as he's proven time and time again he's extremely cheap and short-sighted. I'm saying that's what the White Sox SHOULD be doing, but they won't. They will dump Robert for whatever they can get, because their owner sucks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 12 minutes ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: I didn't say giving Robert the option is what Jerry WILL do, as he's proven time and time again he's extremely cheap and short-sighted. I'm saying that's what the White Sox SHOULD be doing, but they won't. They will dump Robert for whatever they can get, because their owner sucks. No, what they SHOULD be doing is signing Kyle Tucker since their payroll will be peanuts in 2026 and beyond. Spend money on an actual superstar that fills a decade long roster hole, not on the hopes and dreams of Trout 2.0. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 37 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: No, what they SHOULD be doing is signing Kyle Tucker since their payroll will be peanuts in 2026 and beyond. Spend money on an actual superstar that fills a decade long roster hole, not on the hopes and dreams of Trout 2.0. I'd be happy if they sign Naylor and Schwarber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 1 hour ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: It's interesting. His xWOBA is .321 with a .262 BABIP overall. The issue is that he's been atrocious vs RHP. He has a .241 BABIP vs righties but also a 46 wRC+ and .237 wOBA. He's murdered lefties with a 171 wRC+ and .418 wOBA. He’s been atrocious so far but some of that has been due to BABIP bad luck and some of that has been due to an abnormal batted ball profile (his IFFB rate has nearly doubled since last year and career norms). And as bad as Robert was last year and clearly not 100% physically, he still put up a 90 wRC+ vs. RHP. With his bat speed back up to elite levels, I just don’t this is anything more than a short term blip and I think we are already starting to some normalization occurring in the month of July (he’s over 100 wRC+ against RHP for the month). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 12 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: I'd be happy if they sign Naylor and Schwarber. I think signing an age 33 Schwarber to a long-term deal for the current state of this team would be crazy. I know he’s still a stud but I can’t imagine him A) wanting to come here, or B) the Sox being competitive before Schwarber ages out. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 15 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: He’s been atrocious so far but some of that has been due to BABIP bad luck and some of that has been due to an abnormal batted ball profile (his IFFB rate has nearly doubled since last year and career norms). And as bad as Robert was last year and clearly not 100% physically, he still put up a 90 wRC+ vs. RHP. With his bat speed back up to elite levels, I just don’t this is anything more than a short term blip and I think we are already starting to some normalization occurring in the month of July (he’s over 100 wRC+ against RHP for the month). Who also already is having abductor muscle problems and just as easily could be out for the year on a bad swing or awkward stride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 13 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: I think signing an age 33 Schwarber to a long-term deal for the current state of this team would be crazy. I know he’s still a stud but I can’t imagine him A) wanting to come here, or B) the Sox being competitive before Schwarber ages out. Signing any DH is crazy unless you're trading one of Teel/Quero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 25 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: I'd be happy if they sign Naylor and Schwarber. I’m probably overthinking but part of me feels Jerry could make one big splash signing as “proof” that he spends money and is willing to fork it over for a star heading into the upcoming labor negotiations. Probably wishful thinking but it’s Jerry so who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaff Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 3 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said: Benintendi LF, Baldwin CF, sign a stop gap RF in offseason Do you think Braden Montgomery will be ready to start the 2026 with the White Sox? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 13 minutes ago, Falstaff said: Do you think Braden Montgomery will be ready to start the 2026 with the White Sox? Not likely based on this year 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 1 hour ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: No, what they SHOULD be doing is signing Kyle Tucker since their payroll will be peanuts in 2026 and beyond. Spend money on an actual superstar that fills a decade long roster hole, not on the hopes and dreams of Trout 2.0. If only picking up Robert’s $20M option and givng Tucker $700M were mutually exclusive decisions… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 (edited) 4 hours ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: Dude. Their payroll next season is $20M. Spending another $20M on Luis Robert should not restrict ANY competent owner from spending an additional $20M elsewhere. Dude the only reason you pick up Robert's $20M option is if you can trade him and get better value for him than you can get now. That's a huge gamble. Outside of his current hot streak apparently you have GMs hoarding position prospects again, and not making quality offers for Robert despite the hot streak, and his base running and defensive prowess and Getz being willing to eat money which could make his remaing salary this year somewhere under $5M. Not only that but if he does great for the team trading for him they are the only team who can pick up his $20M option What does that tell you ? Does it sound like other GMs think he's worth $20M a year next year or worth a decent prospect for a guy who theoretically can have a major impact on World Championship aspirations ? Read the room of how GMs of contending teams seem to be reacting to Robert. We are once again overvalueing him the same as we did when he was being deemed by many here as untradeable after the 2023 because the Sox could never get fair value for him. That's turned out so well hasn't it ? Does the phrase throwing good money after bad mean anything to you ? I really think there's a lot of posturing going on between all parties right now. Getz isn't in the driver's seat but there should be a decent trade to be made out there for Robert. Edited July 29 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 22 minutes ago, Falstaff said: Do you think Braden Montgomery will be ready to start the 2026 with the White Sox? No which is the point of the stop gap 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaff Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 25 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: No which is the point of the stop gap I never saw Colson Montgomery coming up, especially after being sent to AZ. I agree that RF most likely will be a stop gap unless a Robert or Howser trade brings someone onboard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 11 minutes ago, Falstaff said: I never saw Colson Montgomery coming up, especially after being sent to AZ. I agree that RF most likely will be a stop gap unless a Robert or Howser trade brings someone onboard. Yeah I’m assuming Benintendi isn’t moved between now and opening day 2026 so he’ll be in LF. They won’t have to rely on that many undeserving young players for the OF. I think Braden will come in like May. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Yeah I’m assuming Benintendi isn’t moved between now and opening day 2026 so he’ll be in LF. They won’t have to rely on that many undeserving young players for the OF. I think Braden will come in like May. I think September 2026 might be more realistic for Braden. Edited July 29 by SoCalChiSox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 4 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: Robert’s xwOBA is .321, which is about league average for hitter. A guy who can play CF and run the bases like he does is probably a 3.5 win player with that type of offensive production. That would theoretically provide surplus value at 1/$20M. Discount some for injury and it would be about break-even. It also ignores the fact that no player performing like that would ever be available on a one year deal with another team option. It also ignores the fact that Robert has been much better than league average over the past month and might be figuring things out. That's why I think a trade will be get worked out. With the recent hitting production he's a very high upside trade piece offensively and defensively and you get the rights to his options. It's not just based on potential like the tweet said but current value is peaking also. Peaking being relative when your overall numbers still look pitiful but a lot less pitiful than they were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 19 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: I think September 2026 might be more realistic for Braden. Looks like he just got promoted to AA today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champagne030 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 I can’t imagine Jerry agreeing to pick up the option. Just throw in $4M ( I know that’s a stretch) and get a decent 19-20 year old lottery ticket. At least Robert seems like he wants off s%*# island and is playing like he cares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 1 hour ago, Falstaff said: Do you think Braden Montgomery will be ready to start the 2026 with the White Sox? He was just promoted to Birmingham, there’s no way he’s ready for OD 2026. Even if he completely destroys AA the rest of the year I’d give him a few months in Charlotte to open next season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 2 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: No, what they SHOULD be doing is signing Kyle Tucker since their payroll will be peanuts in 2026 and beyond. Spend money on an actual superstar that fills a decade long roster hole, not on the hopes and dreams of Trout 2.0. They can and should do both. They won't do either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 9 minutes ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: They can and should do both. They won't do either. Disagree that they should give Robert $20M after these last two seasons. They’ve gotten more from Mike Tauchman in 2025 than they have from Robert in 2024/2025 combined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 (edited) I think it's interesting today that after we heard all about Vientos for awhile, Rosenthal is suggesting we've now shifted back to Top 10 prospects instead, which IMO is good. I dont know if NYM needs a bottom of rotation starter but maybe throw in Houser, eat half of Robert's money and try to get BOTH Gilbert and Clifford. Gilbert has really come on at the plate recently in AAA so call him up and evaluate his work in CF for the rest of the year. Clifford is tearing the cover off the ball in AA....bring him in, promote him to AAA and he will probably go wild in that park in Charlotte. Try to see if he can keep improving his hit tool to go with his mega savage power and let him compete in ST for the LF position. Worst case he is a big lefty masher at 1B or DH and can be a long term 4 hole player against RHP. I could see a future with high OBP Chase leading off (needs to get back to North of .350 OBP), Montgomery 2, one of Vargas/Teel/Quero 3 depending on matchup, Clifford 4, Braden 5. Edited July 29 by SoCalChiSox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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