caulfield12 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 9 minutes ago, baseball_gal_aly said: Good luck to Getz convincing Jerry to pick up the option He's now the centerpiece of the rebuild again lol...Rebuild 2.0. Or is it 4.0 under JR??? Late 80s White Flag/1998-2000 2016-2019 2023-2028 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 19 hours ago, Rey21 said: Saw someone on X bring up the Sox picking up Kimbrel's option to just trade him not long after that, if the Sox are willing to eat some money too, that could be very enticing to a lot of teams if he stays healthy and has a strong 2nd half. A lot has to happen for this to work out but I'm rooting for it. These other GMs just don't want to part with good prospects for a guy as inconsistently unproductive and consistently injured. They also don't like admitting they were wrong . I'm now rooting for the Rays because they took a shot on Houser.The rest of the teams can especially the Phillies and Mets can f*** off. I'm glad the Orioles fizzled out because of their refusal to trade prospects for Cease. They still have great young hitters though . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 1 hour ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: A lot has to happen for this to work out but I'm rooting for it. These other GMs just don't want to part with good prospects for a guy as inconsistently unproductive and consistently injured. They also don't like admitting they were wrong . I'm now rooting for the Rays because they took a shot on Houser.The rest of the teams can especially the Phillies and Mets can f*** off. I'm glad the Orioles fizzled out because of their refusal to trade prospects for Cease. They still have great young hitters though . The Orioles going from the next great dynasty to last place in the span of 2 seasons has been a joy to watch. I always wonder what Sports Guy is up to these days. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 (edited) 3 hours ago, T R U said: The Orioles going from the next great dynasty to last place in the span of 2 seasons has been a joy to watch. I always wonder what Sports Guy is up to these days. To be completely transparent I thought the Cease down year after the near Cy Young season hurt his market and I thought the board overvalued him in much the same way they did with Robert. So I wasn't bothered by Orioles fans so much. However Orioles management was still in a position to offer better than the Sox got for him. It's like reading the MLBTR comments section where a lot of Cubs fan didn't want Houser. Well they got their wish yet Cub fans are outraged Cubs mostly sat on their hands at the TDL as they should be. Ultra conservative at the TDL doesn't win you Championships. You want to see some calculated risks at the very least. I'm glad Tampa was thinking outside the box a bit because this follow the leader BS of hoarding position player prospects over actual MLB production over a good stretch of games like Houser did sucks for a rebuilding team. I know his peripherals weren't great but they weren't alarming either. Sometimes getting doubleplays with a good sinker and GB rate is better than wasting pitches getting K's. That hurt Cease . Lots of K's but too many pitches with the walks he allowed. Also Houser had a better FB than in the past because he made a commitment to his career and the health of his body that he hadn't done before. Maybe it was the Twinkies that doomed Moncada. No one could force Houser to take better care of himself. That part of development is all on the player. Can't be burning the candle at both ends stuffing your face with crap. Takes 100% dedication to your craft for all but the most talented to make it . It's gone before most realize they could have gave a better effort. That's why teams look for high character hard working guys. At least if they fail it won't be for lack of dedication. Edited August 1 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 44 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: To be completely transparent I thought the Cease down year after the near Cy Young season hurt his market and I thought the board overvalued him in much the same way they did with Robert. So I wasn't bothered by Orioles fans so much. However Orioles management was still in a position to offer better than the Sox got for him. It's like reading the MLBTR comments section where a lot of Cubs fan didn't want Hauser. Well they got their wish yet Cub fans are outraged Cubs mostly sat on their hands at the TDL as they should be. Ultra conservative at the TDL doesn't win you Championships. You want to see some calculated risks at the very least. I'm glad Tampa was thinking outside the box a bit because this follow the leader BS of hoarding position player prospects over actual MLB production over a good stretch of games like Hauser did sucks for a rebuilding team. I know his peripherals weren't great but they weren't alarming either. Sometimes getting doubleplays with a good sinker and GB rate is better than wasting pitches getting K's. That hurt Cease . Lots of K's but too many pitches with the walks he allowed. Also Hauser had a better FB than in the past because he made a commitment to his career and the health of his body that he hadn't done before. Maybe it was the Twinkies that doomed Moncada. No one could force Hauser to take better care of himself. That part of development is all on the player. Can't be burning the candle at both ends stuffing your face with crap. Takes 100% dedication to your craft for all but the most talented to make it . It's gone before most realize they could have gave a better effort. That's why teams look for high character hard working guys. At least if they fail it won't be for lack of dedication. Despite what those clowns said here about him, the Orioles had more than enough ammo to add Corbin Burnes and Dylan Cease and I am sure having a guy who ended up finishing 4th in NL Cy Young may have changed their fortunes in 2024. And, even letting Burnes walk if they still fell flat this year then they had Cease as a trade chip to recoup some value. I know people like to say the quality of the board has gone down, but I don't think it has. This community has always mirrored what the team on the field is doing, and it always will because that's what drives the discussion here. One of my favorite parts of the great Oriole invasion of 2024 was all of us coming together to try to get those dipshits out of here. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 1 hour ago, T R U said: Despite what those clowns said here about him, the Orioles had more than enough ammo to add Corbin Burnes and Dylan Cease and I am sure having a guy who ended up finishing 4th in NL Cy Young may have changed their fortunes in 2024. And, even letting Burnes walk if they still fell flat this year then they had Cease as a trade chip to recoup some value. I know people like to say the quality of the board has gone down, but I don't think it has. This community has always mirrored what the team on the field is doing, and it always will because that's what drives the discussion here. One of my favorite parts of the great Oriole invasion of 2024 was all of us coming together to try to get those dipshits out of here. We had big "only I can call my brother a moron" energy at the time. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Quin said: We had big "only I can call my brother a moron" energy at the time. It was fun when they were telling us exactly what Sox players should be worth prospect-wise as if they were the experts. Then they would re-post conversations from here over at Orioles Hangout to get an even more biased reaction. Edited August 1 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 30 minutes ago, T R U said: Despite what those clowns said here about him, the Orioles had more than enough ammo to add Corbin Burnes and Dylan Cease and I am sure having a guy who ended up finishing 4th in NL Cy Young may have changed their fortunes in 2024. And, even letting Burnes walk if they still fell flat this year then they had Cease as a trade chip to recoup some value. I know people like to say the quality of the board has gone down, but I don't think it has. This community has always mirrored what the team on the field is doing, and it always will because that's what drives the discussion here. One of my favorite parts of the great Oriole invasion of 2024 was all of us coming together to try to get those dipshits out of here. I think that's where I have fundamental differences with a lot of people here. I just don't agree that being in the negative majority or on your own turf should allow you to abuse people. Stringing up people for being a different color or wiping out entire civilizations brought people together too as did empires wanting to expand their turf. I think we go a little overboard in our testosterone filled fandom. I know it's just a message board so there's no actual violence but it is concerning that being on the "right" side of the argument gets you more leeway. Might makes right or majority rules is extremely antiquated. I was watching the ReKap podcast after the TDL passed and Ryan McGuffey was hosting it and he does a lot of interaction with fans through the comments and fans were threatening Jed Hoyer . And McGuffey point blank told them he wouldn't condone threats of violence even if it's just empty threats or people blowing off steam. In real life blowing off steam gets a lot of innocent people killed by a lot of idiots who can't control their impulses and violent outbursts. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 8 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: I think that's where I have fundamental differences with a lot of people here. I just don't agree that being in the negative majority or on your own turf should allow you to abuse people. Stringing up people for being a different color or wiping out entire civilizations brought people together too as did empires wanting to expand their turf. I think we go a little overboard in our testosterone filled fandom. I know it's just a message board so there's no actual violence but it is concerning that being on the "right" side of the argument gets you more leeway. Might makes right or majority rules is extremely antiquated. I was watching the ReKap podcast after the TDL passed and Ryan McGuffey was hosting it and he does a lot of interaction with fans through the comments and fans were threatening Jed Hoyer . And McGuffey point blank told them he wouldn't condone threats of violence even if it's just empty threats or people blowing off steam. In real life blowing off steam gets a lot of innocent people killed by a lot of idiots who can't control their impulses and violent outbursts. Its hard for people to accept others have opinions different from theirs, a sports message board is a breeding ground for head butting. Were all here for the same reason, the White Sox are our favorite baseball team. Just because you like this player and I think he's trash doesn't change that, even if a heated discussion takes place. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 (edited) 21 hours ago, XplodingScorbord said: I’m rolling with Luis. Send him to whoever got Colson back on track. I'm pretty sure that was a collective effort with Colson since you can talk about the work with Fuller in AZ and also the analytics people who suggested to the coaches that Colson might be a good candidate for the Torpedo bat based on batted ball data. That only happened during the recent TB series a week ago. Props to Colson too that he was open to the suggestion . Edited August 1 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 26 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: I'm pretty sure that was a collective effort with Colson since you can talk about the work with Fuller in AZ and also the analytics people who suggested to the coaches that Colson might be a good candidate for the Torpedo bat based on batted ball data. That only happened during the recent TB series a week ago. Props to Colson too that he was open to the suggestion . SO FAR it's the biggest organizational win in who knows how long. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 On 7/31/2025 at 11:16 AM, Tony said: Since 2023, the White Sox are 142-291. In that same stretch, the Rockies are 148-284. Piss off. You too. I'm still optimistic as are many many on the board and we are not delusional or suckers . You quoting the record means zip. Things have improved since rock bottom. That's not a ringing endorsement of Getz but more rational people seem to think he done much better in his 2nd year once he started to fire and hire. My attitude is no different from the coaches and podcasters who take a more middle ground approach rather than an emotionally imbalanced one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 32 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said: SO FAR it's the biggest organizational win in who knows how long. Jerry apparently picking up Robert’s option is a close second. 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 16 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: Then that begs the question because of his salary will the Sox have to actually kick in money to move him? And if he gets hurt or slumps the final two months what then? Why do you want to move him? We don't have anyone close to his abilities for CF. If he continues to perform well, attempt to extend his contract. Should he revert to hitting below 200 and be injury-prone...buy him out for $2M. If he plays great and won't go for an extension... pick up the $20M option and play him or trade him. I'm glad we didn't take a crapola offer for probably our best player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 47 minutes ago, poppysox said: Why do you want to move him? We don't have anyone close to his abilities for CF. If he continues to perform well, attempt to extend his contract. Should he revert to hitting below 200 and be injury-prone...buy him out for $2M. If he plays great and won't go for an extension... pick up the $20M option and play him or trade him. I'm glad we didn't take a crapola offer for probably our best player. Does that matter to a team on pace to lose 100+ games this year, probably at least 90+ next year and then have the season shortened or cancelled in 2027 because of the owners lockout of the players? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 57 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: Does that matter to a team on pace to lose 100+ games this year, probably at least 90+ next year and then have the season shortened or cancelled in 2027 because of the owners lockout of the players? Who cares? He’s young enough to be around for the next Sox competitive team, if that’s within next 3-4 years. If the would be return is something around that if Mullins and Bader deals, I’d rather keep him around for cost of $20M from JR’s pockets to see if he could regain his value under the new coaching staff and clubhouse surrounding him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 Sox Machine looks at both sides from their newsletter: Luis Robert Jr.: Trade Deadline Survivor The trade deadline came and went on Thursday, and the White Sox were less active than expected. They traded Austin Slater to the Yankees and Adrian Houser to the Rays, getting what appear to be appropriate returns for impending free agents with specific skill sets and/or limited track records, but the period was most defined by who wasn’t traded: one Luis Robert Jr. In the days leading up to the deadline, Chris Getz reiterated that he wasn’t marketing Robert as a rental. After the deadline passed and Robert remained with the White Sox, Getz stopped short of guaranteeing the exercising of Robert’s $20 million option for 2026, but he did say, “We anticipate him being here, we do.” Getz’s decision makes the White Sox’s final two months fascinating in terms of settling the argument. Robert is one of the biggest reasons the White Sox have started the second half 8-4, as he’s hitting .406/.500/.594 with standout defense in center field. If the White Sox feel better baseball is sustainable — and with the free agent market for center fielders slim pickings — then trading Robert for whatever they could get might be an individually sensible economic decision, but serve little purpose with regards to the bigger picture. The counterpoint: It’s eminently realistic that Robert gets hurt again, or otherwise goes into a tailspin that makes the $20 million option impossible to absorb. The White Sox feel like that’s a chance worth taking, and we’ll be tracking this decision to see which side of the debate wins out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said: Does that matter to a team on pace to lose 100+ games this year, probably at least 90+ next year and then have the season shortened or cancelled in 2027 because of the owners lockout of the players? In my humble opinion, this team will be much better next year than you and many others think. For sure, they will be more watchable. My crystal ball says Robert will play an important role in my prediction. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 2 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: Does that matter to a team on pace to lose 100+ games this year, probably at least 90+ next year and then have the season shortened or cancelled in 2027 because of the owners lockout of the players? That’s not really the right attitude, though. Luis Robert is very likely the best CF “available” for the Sox the next two years. Meaning outside of trading real assets to acquire a CF better than Robert, or signing an FA who is better..Luis Robert is the best CF they have. If the trade market is light for Robert…there really isn’t a downside to keeping him. The money quite frankly is irrelevant. It’s not ours, and if there is one thing history has shown us, specifically on both sides of town…just because a team sheds the salary of a high priced player doesn’t mean they’ll magically replace that salary with something different. According to Kenny/Rick, the Sox offered Machado somewhere around a $250 million dollar contract. When he didn’t sign, that money wasn’t given out to 3-4 other players, Jerry simply sat on that cash. With no cap, I’m sick of talking about “getting players off the books” or a “bad” contract…until there is an actual hard cap, none of it matters. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrathofhahn Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 (edited) On 8/1/2025 at 7:04 PM, Tony said: That’s not really the right attitude, though. Luis Robert is very likely the best CF “available” for the Sox the next two years. Meaning outside of trading real assets to acquire a CF better than Robert, or signing an FA who is better..Luis Robert is the best CF they have. If the trade market is light for Robert…there really isn’t a downside to keeping him. The money quite frankly is irrelevant. It’s not ours, and if there is one thing history has shown us, specifically on both sides of town…just because a team sheds the salary of a high priced player doesn’t mean they’ll magically replace that salary with something different. According to Kenny/Rick, the Sox offered Machado somewhere around a $250 million dollar contract. When he didn’t sign, that money wasn’t given out to 3-4 other players, Jerry simply sat on that cash. With no cap, I’m sick of talking about “getting players off the books” or a “bad” contract…until there is an actual hard cap, none of it matters. Absolutely, I agree. The problem is that they have consistently traded guys when their value was at its lowest trading and failed to sell high on them. I have no faith in this FO to move Robert at the right time because, as I stated at the time when we moved Cease, it was foolish to trade Cease and keep Roberts, and it's even more clear now. So what are we left with? We don't even have a top ten farm at the moment because of the call-ups, and we still are god-awful with two catchers up one being forced to DH because we don't even target trades properly. We have already traded those players when their value was at its lowest, so we don't have any assets that other teams are willing to part with good assets for. All of the guys we target in FA are either soft-tossing scrubs pitcher who will never be useful in the future, and none of the potentially good rebound pillow candidates guys want to come here. We don't trade for buy-low toolsy change-of-scenery guys; we call up 4A guys who were never top prospects and just waste seasons giving roster spots to future waiver claims. As a result, I genuinely have less faith in this FO than in Hahn. Hahn and KW made mistakes and deserved to be fired; it's a results business, but at least you saw their vision, even though their plan clearly didn't work out. There is nothing the Sox are doing that leads me to believe they are going to be successful at any point in the near future, and I am not just talking about this year or even next year. Football season can't start soon enough Edited August 29 by wrathofhahn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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