July 28, 2025Jul 28 11 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: It would be nice if you could actually articulate why, other than this wasn't a mistake because "value". I've been articulating why for months. You can't even tell me what you think they should've gotten in return that winter.
July 28, 2025Jul 28 17 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: I've been articulating why for months. You can't even tell me what you think they should've gotten in return that winter. I literally gave you twice that it already happened for the same franchise.
July 28, 2025Jul 28 39 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: This is absurd. You are basically telling me that Robert had to have his value depreciate so that they could trade him at some sort of a fair price, knowing fully well that means risking his historically bad health, along with the whispered work ethic and coachability factors that keep being whispered about by those in the know, coming into play. What exactly was going to change in six months that all of the sudden that made a trade for Robert then a proper "value" for him. If teams weren't going to offer enough at 4 years, why would waiting six months for them to hopefully be offering the same thing in six months, but now with six months of depreciation to his value make it worth while to trade him because now that is proper "value" a sane thought. If it is the best offer you are going to get, why the heck wouldn't you take it? There is zero chance that the offers were going to go UP from him having a huge breakout year and full health for the time in his career. Speaking of "value" in some sort of abstract, with literally no evidence backing it up, versus his absolute value being almost certainly never going to be higher than it was in 2023 because of the factors that I keep mentioning, and keep being ignored seems like missing the forest for the trees. Rick Hahn was able to get a huge deal for Adam Eaton specifically, who was WAY less of a player with four years remaining on his deal. Chris Sale brought a much bigger "value" return as a more established player. Why wasn't it possible to get something along the Eaton to Sale lines in terms of a return for Luis Robert when we have seen it happen before? I agree that the time to trade Robert was in 2023 vs now, but there’s a huge difference between what teams were willing to offer in 2016/17 vs now or even a few years ago. If the hauls Hahn got back are the measuring stick, we will be disappointed in the return no matter what.
July 28, 2025Jul 28 10 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: I literally gave you twice that it already happened for the same franchise. I don't think an equivalent to the Nationals/Eaton trade would've close to enough. I think the Sox would've needed like 3 top 100 prospects plus upside top trade 4 years of Luis Robert. I remember pushing back at the time and saying nobody would pay what he's worth after a 5 WAR season. Should they have traded him? It's easy to say yes now. I don't operate that way. We don't agree on this. I'm fine with that.
July 28, 2025Jul 28 11 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: I don't think an equivalent to the Nationals/Eaton trade would've close to enough. I think the Sox would've needed like 3 top 100 prospects plus upside top trade 4 years of Luis Robert. I remember pushing back at the time and saying nobody would pay what he's worth after a 5 WAR season. Should they have traded him? It's easy to say yes now. I don't operate that way. We don't agree on this. I'm fine with that. So what did waiting six months do for that, exactly? What exactly was going to happen between then and the summer to make things better?
July 28, 2025Jul 28 17 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: Yep. If Chris knew all along this was a project, literally his first mistake was not taking the best offer on Robert at his peak. Weird how people eventually come around to things I said months ago.
July 28, 2025Jul 28 18 hours ago, Baron said: Yep, And hold my nose while watching Brooks play center field. He doesn't have to be great right away. Games will be lost regardless. As long as he becomes competent at it eventually.
July 28, 2025Jul 28 27 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: So what did waiting six months do for that, exactly? What exactly was going to happen between then and the summer to make things better? Probably nothing. They very clearly didn't hear the names they would've wanted to for 4 years of Robert though. Nobody expected him to crater like this. Injury risk sure but not sure. It's humorous to me though that people on this board and elsewhere (in hindsight) think that the team should've traded Robert immediately but also believe that they shouldn't have traded Cease when they did. Pick a fucking lane.
July 28, 2025Jul 28 10 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: Probably nothing. They very clearly didn't hear the names they would've wanted to for 4 years of Robert though. Nobody expected him to crater like this. Injury risk sure but not sure. It's humorous to me though that people on this board and elsewhere (in hindsight) think that the team should've traded Robert immediately but also believe that they shouldn't have traded Cease when they did. Pick a fucking lane. You are missing the overall point. The lane is that whatever the Sox do is wrong regardless of the situation, circumstances or opinion.
July 28, 2025Jul 28 1 hour ago, fathom said: Can’t wait for Sox fans to think it was bad trade, yet every other fan base can’t believe they got him for 2 months of Luis You talking about Vientos?
July 28, 2025Jul 28 1 hour ago, fathom said: Can’t wait for Sox fans to think it was bad trade, yet every other fan base can’t believe they got him for 2 months of Luis I wouldnt view it as much of a win if they got him for free. Vientos stinks.
July 28, 2025Jul 28 13 minutes ago, ptatc said: You are missing the overall point. The lane is that whatever the Sox do is wrong regardless of the situation, circumstances or opinion. Have you looked at the Cease return recently? And the Robert trade isn’t expected to be any better. Perhaps they did screw up in the case of their two biggest trade chips?
July 28, 2025Jul 28 22 minutes ago, ptatc said: You are missing the overall point. The lane is that whatever the Sox do is wrong regardless of the situation, circumstances or opinion. Yeah. The only point of rumors now is for these guys to start the early shitting on Vientos, or whatever reasonable return is available, so that they can troll for the next 4 years after every 0-4 game.
July 28, 2025Jul 28 18 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Have you looked at the Cease return recently? And the Robert trade isn’t expected to be any better. Perhaps they did screw up in the case of their two biggest trade chips? And perhaps the league didn't see Cease and Robert as the WAR gods that SoxTalk did.
July 28, 2025Jul 28 1 hour ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: I've been articulating why for months. You can't even tell me what you think they should've gotten in return that winter. I think that was the time when BTV had his SV at like 77m. The idea that we couldn't get a couple savage bats for him because people are hoarding position players is absurd. Does it mean we would have to accept 2 really good Top 100 bats and maybe a pitcher or other useful piece instead of a third Top 100 bat ? Maybe. But if you saying we couldn't even get that is absurd on its face. You know how i know? Because when we traded Crochet, we got a couple Top 100 bats (both LH too) plus more and most would agree that Crochets value, post one TJS, while very high after last season was still inferior to Roberts value coming after his huge 2023 campaign with four years of control. But somehow even though plus defender, plus speed CFs who hit almost 40 bombs don't exactly grow on trees we simply couldn't have gotten multiple stud position prospects, huh? Getz is a fuckup and a dumbfuck, stop covering for him. Edited July 28, 2025Jul 28 by SoCalChiSox
July 28, 2025Jul 28 21 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Robert back in the lineup, today. One thing I don't get is if he really does hit lefties well still (he does), why not move him higher against lefties?
July 28, 2025Jul 28 big problem with the prime Luis trades is you dont have many suitors because he was worth so much that he'd take a team's entire farm. These days giving multiple top prospects up.. is rare. Even with Crochet we had to take a catcher
July 28, 2025Jul 28 9 minutes ago, Princess Dye said: big problem with the prime Luis trades is you dont have many suitors because he was worth so much that he'd take a team's entire farm. These days giving multiple top prospects up.. is rare. Even with Crochet we had to take a catcher I don't think this was a settle. I think they've wanted him since that draft.
July 28, 2025Jul 28 13 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: I don't think this was a settle. I think they've wanted him since that draft. But we didn't touch their top 3. We took a catcher, and an injured player who hadn't taken a pitch in their system. It may have been just what Getz was targeting, but it wasn't 3 top 50 guys.
July 28, 2025Jul 28 48 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: Probably nothing. They very clearly didn't hear the names they would've wanted to for 4 years of Robert though. Nobody expected him to crater like this. Injury risk sure but not sure. It's humorous to me though that people on this board and elsewhere (in hindsight) think that the team should've traded Robert immediately but also believe that they shouldn't have traded Cease when they did. Pick a fucking lane. Great point. This is why I wanted Robert and Cease traded rather than waiting in hopes of their value increasing. It’s rare that a veteran like Robert or Cease will improve their trade value coming off the seasons they had with the relatively cheap team control they still had. Yes, Cease didn’t have a great 2023 season and might have been more valuable if they traded him 4 months later than they did but I’ve seen holding on to the veteran in hopes of increasing trade value go against the Sox more often than not. If the team had no intention of trying to compete these past couple seasons, you trade those guys as soon as you get a decent offer. That applies to any veteran on the current roster as well.
July 28, 2025Jul 28 It’s like buying and holding a stock that carries more downside risk than upside potential. Value continues deteriorating and you keep telling yourself well maybe if I just hold on to it another 6 months things will improve. 6 months later you’ve dug yourself an even deeper hole and eventually cut bait at a sizable loss. The longer the Sox hold on to Robert the more his value deteriorates. Take what you can get and move on.
July 28, 2025Jul 28 55 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: I think that was the time when BTV had his SV at like 77m. The idea that we couldn't get a couple savage bats for him because people are hoarding position players is absurd. Does it mean we would have to accept 2 really good Top 100 bats and maybe a pitcher or other useful piece instead of a third Top 100 bat ? Maybe. But if you saying we couldn't even get that is absurd on its face. You know how i know? Because when we traded Crochet, we got a couple Top 100 bats (both LH too) plus more and most would agree that Crochets value, post one TJS, while very high after last season was still inferior to Roberts value coming after his huge 2023 campaign with four years of control. But somehow even though plus defender, plus speed CFs who hit almost 40 bombs don't exactly grow on trees we simply couldn't have gotten multiple stud position prospects, huh? Getz is a fuckup and a dumbfuck, stop covering for him. I’m got covering for anyone. You seem a little hostile though today. Maybe take a walk?
July 28, 2025Jul 28 44 minutes ago, Princess Dye said: big problem with the prime Luis trades is you dont have many suitors because he was worth so much that he'd take a team's entire farm. These days giving multiple top prospects up.. is rare. Even with Crochet we had to take a catcher That can’t be true. Soxtalk told me otherwise
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