41 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

I'm so unsurprised that I can predict the over-reactions. 

To be fair predicting your own posts isn't really impressive. 

better just keep him at this point. he's not returning a good player. his contract isn't so bad, just keep him around in center field for the foreseeable future. you're probably not gonna find a better one.

2 hours ago, WestEddy said:

Yes, there would be some of that. It would be drowned out by kvetching over Chris Getz failing because Robert was "only" hitting .250, and how Chris Getz would fail if he didn't get 3 top 30 prospects from the receiving team. 

Where has ANYONE mentioned three top thirty guys?

Maybe if it was from the Sox system 3-4 years ago when they were ranked 29th.

7 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Where has ANYONE mentioned three top thirty guys?

Maybe if it was from the Sox system 3-4 years ago when they were ranked 29th.

Oh, *that* got your attention? LOL. It's like all the experts here were talking tough that there was no way they would accept a package for Cease with Connor Norby or Joey Ortiz. They weren't the perfect combination of perfect for Cease, and if they were GM's they would slam down the phone in a special way that would frighten opposing GMs into relenting on their top prospects. 

Getz procured 2 of Boston's top 5 prospects, and you have bellyached they didn't get another one, preferably one of the 3 who are top 11 in the game. 

14 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Oh, *that* got your attention? LOL. It's like all the experts here were talking tough that there was no way they would accept a package for Cease with Connor Norby or Joey Ortiz. They weren't the perfect combination of perfect for Cease, and if they were GM's they would slam down the phone in a special way that would frighten opposing GMs into relenting on their top prospects. 

Getz procured 2 of Boston's top 5 prospects, and you have bellyached they didn't get another one, preferably one of the 3 who are top 11 in the game. 

And instead we got a package that was soundly decried when the trade happened, and has gotten worse looking with time.  Heck of a victory lap there.  You're doing a great job Getzy.

Outman and Bruns is laughable. 

Outman sucks and Bruns, while having a great arm, will never materialize into a starting pitcher. Dodgers tried to hone in his command and while it has improved some, just not enough to project him to anything more than a reliever at this point.

So Dodgers are gonna send out two failed prospects? Robert needs to start hitting to drive up his value, but this is a dumbass trade. 

20 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

And instead we got a package that was soundly decried when the trade happened, and has gotten worse looking with time.  Heck of a victory lap there.  You're doing a great job Getzy.

And sadly, sorry ass Joey Ortiz has been more productive than anyone in the Cease trade return.

5 hours ago, WestEddy said:

Yes, it is. You should rewatch Bull Durham. Just one more hit a week is the difference between a .250 hitter to a .300 hitter. One Texas-leaguer. One beat out infield single. One short hop, ball off the pitcher's leg, one ball in the lights. Fifty points. 

If Robert was hitting .250 with an OPS around .800 he’d be a perennial all star or at least close to it. Instead, he’s barely able to produce a positive WAR number the last two seasons. Big difference.

1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

And sadly, sorry ass Joey Ortiz has been more productive than anyone in the Cease trade return.

Sorry but Ortiz is awful. The first half of last season was a fluke. He’s been abysmal since, including a god awful 0/11 showing in the postseason. He turns 27 in July and is absolutely destined to be Nicky 2.0. I’m not saying that trade looks good for the Sox by any means but I’d still take Thorpe over Ortiz as the headliner in a Cease trade. Crochet returned a far better package because, quite frankly, he has a much higher upside than Cease and is a few years younger.

7 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

Sorry but Ortiz is awful. The first half of last season was a fluke. He’s been abysmal since, including a god awful 0/11 showing in the postseason. He turns 27 in July and is absolutely destined to be Nicky 2.0. I’m not saying that trade looks good for the Sox by any means but I’d still take Thorpe over Ortiz as the headliner in a Cease trade. Crochet returned a far better package because, quite frankly, he has a much higher upside than Cease and is a few years younger.

I agree for the most part.  Ortiz is nothing special but he does have more power than Madrigal.

We just need the Cease return to return, and actually be productive.  Zavala has started out poorly unfortunately.  Hopefully he has a bounce back year.

25 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

I agree for the most part.  Ortiz is nothing special but he does have more power than Madrigal.

We just need the Cease return to return, and actually be productive.  Zavala has started out poorly unfortunately.  Hopefully he has a bounce back year.

I don’t expect anything from Zavala. Thorpe as a mid rotation starter and Iriarte as an effective reliever is about all we can hope for unfortunately. 

2 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

If Robert was hitting .250 with an OPS around .800 he’d be a perennial all star or at least close to it. Instead, he’s barely able to produce a positive WAR number the last two seasons. Big difference.

Last two seasons?  He put 4.9 fWAR two seasons ago?  Unless you are calling 60 plate appearances in April a “season”…

1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Last two seasons?  He put 4.9 fWAR two seasons ago?  Unless you are calling 60 plate appearances in April a “season”…

Oh sorry, the 2024 and 2025 seasons to be clear

wRC+ down to 33. Going to need a big May and June to have ANY trade value come July. 
 

6 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

wRC+ down to 33. Going to need a big May and June to have ANY trade value come July. 
 

And if rumor is true that JR won’t include money, good luck

7 minutes ago, fathom said:

And if rumor is true that JR won’t include money, good luck

Odds that he goes the way of Moncada up to 60% now? It’s certainly rising and rising quickly.

Trade value 📉 

17 minutes ago, fathom said:

And if rumor is true that JR won’t include money, good luck

I’ll never understand this, you’re going to pay him anyways if you don’t trade him

7 minutes ago, T R U said:

I’ll never understand this, you’re going to pay him anyways if you don’t trade him

Which is why not dealing with the Reds was stupid.

8 minutes ago, T R U said:

I’ll never understand this, you’re going to pay him anyways if you don’t trade him

I said before that they should be willing to eat 2/3 (about how much they will pay him if he were traded around Trade Deadline) of his 2025 salary if it gets you what you want. 

9 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

I said before that they should be willing to eat 2/3 (about how much they will pay him if he were traded around Trade Deadline) of his 2025 salary if it gets you what you want. 

Nm

Edited April 17, 2025Apr 17 by fathom

10 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Which is why not dealing with the Reds was stupid.

Wait a minute…. You were on team “hold him until the trade deadline.” Can’t switch now buddy…

27 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

Odds that he goes the way of Moncada up to 60% now? It’s certainly rising and rising quickly.

Zero chance…big market clubs would take him in a heartbeat if he was free

6 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Zero chance…big market clubs would take him in a heartbeat if he was free

I’m saying there’s a better than 50/50 shot the Sox decline his $20M option for next season at this rate. Just like they declined Moncada’s option for this season…

11 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

Wait a minute…. You were on team “hold him until the trade deadline.” Can’t switch now buddy…

If you paid attention, when the rumored Reds deal happened in ST, I was all for it.