southsider2k5 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 8 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: If you paid attention, when the rumored Reds deal happened in ST, I was all for it. Receipts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Zero chance…big market clubs would take him in a heartbeat if he was free We'll find out, because he's either getting traded or a declined option. I don't really see any middle ground here. There is no way they pick up a $20M option on a guy hitting .220 with a .600 OPS and health concerns. Edited April 17 by T R U Option declined, not non tendered 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 12 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: If you paid attention, when the rumored Reds deal happened in ST, I was all for it. Whatever the rumored deal was if it included more than one good prospect from the Reds I’m sure it was BS. Just like the rumored Cease to Reds trade was BS and the Dodgers proposed deal discussed in this thread is BS. Robert’s trade value is approaching salary dump only at this point. Might get a couple guys like Bergolla but that’s about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 14 minutes ago, T R U said: We'll find out, because he's either getting traded or a declined option. I don't really see any middle ground here. There is no way they pick up a $20M option on a guy hitting .220 with a .600 OPS and health concerns. 💯 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johno Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 At this time, Robert’s play is basically brutal. This is NOT just this month, but also the entire season last year. This is no longer a slump, he is not good. Other teams must be seeing the exact same thing. Getz will get nothing but a possible fringe prospect for Robert. Why not agree to pay 1/2 his salary and ask for a better prospect. Also, just cut Vaughn!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 1 hour ago, T R U said: We'll find out, because he's either getting traded or a declined option. I don't really see any middle ground here. There is no way they pick up a $20M option on a guy hitting .220 with a .600 OPS and health concerns. My point is someone would give up something for him, even if it’s just a couple of lottery tickets. I don’t see any realistic case where we we’d decline Robert’s option unless he suffers a major injury and that’s lingering heading into the offseason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 12 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: My point is someone would give up something for him, even if it’s just a couple of lottery tickets. I don’t see any realistic case where we we’d decline Robert’s option unless he suffers a major injury and that’s lingering heading into the offseason. As of now, I’m confident they’d decline the option. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baseball_gal_aly Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 12 minutes ago, fathom said: As of now, I’m confident they’d decline the option. This is going the way of Moncada. Doubt they move him at the TDL. This is now multiple seasons of him being bad. He'd have to go on a real heater for the next few months to get anything at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said: My point is someone would give up something for him, even if it’s just a couple of lottery tickets. I don’t see any realistic case where we we’d decline Robert’s option unless he suffers a major injury and that’s lingering heading into the offseason. You really think they’re going to pick up a $20M option if he continues to carry a .657 or worse OPS this season? I sure don’t. Again, it’s not just about health only with him now like it was a couple years ago. There are also significant performance concerns now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 31 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: You really think they’re going to pick up a $20M option if he continues to carry a .657 or worse OPS this season? I sure don’t. Again, it’s not just about health only with him now like it was a couple years ago. There are also significant performance concerns now. He is playing himself right into the Eloy / Moncada situation where no one would pick up the option and they will just be a free agent. It's unfortunate - I hope somehow Robert goes on a hot streak but at this point, I really think if you had even a lukewarm offer you take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 46 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: You really think they’re going to pick up a $20M option if he continues to carry a .657 or worse OPS this season? I sure don’t. Again, it’s not just about health only with him now like it was a couple years ago. There are also significant performance concerns now. You’re literally drawing conclusions based on 316 plate appearances: Y20-Y23: PA = 1,519 | 5.3% BB % | 25.2% K % | .221 ISO | .334 BABIP | 125 wRC+ Y24 (1H): PA = 179 | 10.1% BB % | 31.8 K % | .255 ISO | .290 BABIP | 123 wRC+ Y24 (2H): PA = 246 | 4.1% BB % | 34.1% K % | .086 ISO | .322 BABIP | 56 wRC+ Y25 (YTD): PA = 70 | 11.4% BB % | 27.1% K % | .068 ISO | .175 BABIP | 33 wRC+ Robert was legit awesome through the All-Star game of last year. He clearly was awful during the 2H of last season, but there are many reasons for that which have been highlighted plenty of times. In particular, it’s 100% clear his health was a major contributor and we can see that by his the reductions in bat speed and sprint speed last year. However, if you look at his underlying metrics so far this year you will see improvements (including chase rate). The BABIP is ridiculously low (which will normalize) and the power has been terrible despite his elite bat speed being back to normal, but as I have pointed out he hasn’t been squaring up on the ball at all. His groundball and popup rates are up a combined 24% points vs. his career rates and 26% points vs. last year. That’s the definition of abnormal and a completely different problem from last year. Do you really think that rate is going to stick? Additionally, Robert routinely struggles in April. His career wRC+ is 82 in April vs. a combined 120 for all other months. As such, there is zero reason to overreact to a slow start from him as long as he is healthy. Again, you have decided Robert is a fundamentally different player now (and a terrible one at that) because of 316 bad plate appearances. It’s absolutely wild. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 12 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: You’re literally drawing conclusions based on 316 plate appearances: Y20-Y23: PA = 1,519 | 5.3% BB % | 25.2% K % | .221 ISO | .334 BABIP | 125 wRC+ Y24 (1H): PA = 179 | 10.1% BB % | 31.8 K % | .255 ISO | .290 BABIP | 123 wRC+ Y24 (2H): PA = 246 | 4.1% BB % | 34.1% K % | .086 ISO | .322 BABIP | 56 wRC+ Y25 (YTD): PA = 70 | 11.4% BB % | 27.1% K % | .068 ISO | .175 BABIP | 33 wRC+ Robert was legit awesome through the All-Star game of last year. He clearly was awful during the 2H of last season, but there are many reasons for that which have been highlighted plenty of times. In particular, it’s 100% clear his health was a major contributor and we can see that by his the reductions in bat speed and sprint speed last year. However, if you look at his underlying metrics so far this year you will see improvements (including chase rate). The BABIP is ridiculously low (which will normalize) and the power has been terrible despite his elite bat speed being back to normal, but as I have pointed out he hasn’t been squaring up on the ball at all. His groundball and popup rates are up a combined 24% points vs. his career rates and 26% points vs. last year. That’s the definition of abnormal and a completely different problem from last year. Do you really think that rate is going to stick? Additionally, Robert routinely struggles in April. His career wRC+ is 82 in April vs. a combined 120 for all other months. As such, there is zero reason to overreact to a slow start from him as long as he is healthy. Again, you have decided Robert is a fundamentally different player now (and a terrible one at that) because of 316 bad plate appearances. It’s absolutely wild. Unless he gets more extension on the swing, he will not produce power numbers. It’s like his jabbing at everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 18 minutes ago, fathom said: Unless he gets more extension on the swing, he will not produce power numbers. It’s like his jabbing at everything. While many see it as lazy or not caring, I see a dude who is just mentally defeated and destroyed. He looks like he has zero confidence up there 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 24 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: You’re literally drawing conclusions based on 316 plate appearances: Y20-Y23: PA = 1,519 | 5.3% BB % | 25.2% K % | .221 ISO | .334 BABIP | 125 wRC+ Y24 (1H): PA = 179 | 10.1% BB % | 31.8 K % | .255 ISO | .290 BABIP | 123 wRC+ Y24 (2H): PA = 246 | 4.1% BB % | 34.1% K % | .086 ISO | .322 BABIP | 56 wRC+ Y25 (YTD): PA = 70 | 11.4% BB % | 27.1% K % | .068 ISO | .175 BABIP | 33 wRC+ Robert was legit awesome through the All-Star game of last year. He clearly was awful during the 2H of last season, but there are many reasons for that which have been highlighted plenty of times. In particular, it’s 100% clear his health was a major contributor and we can see that by his the reductions in bat speed and sprint speed last year. However, if you look at his underlying metrics so far this year you will see improvements (including chase rate). The BABIP is ridiculously low (which will normalize) and the power has been terrible despite his elite bat speed being back to normal, but as I have pointed out he hasn’t been squaring up on the ball at all. His groundball and popup rates are up a combined 24% points vs. his career rates and 26% points vs. last year. That’s the definition of abnormal and a completely different problem from last year. Do you really think that rate is going to stick? Additionally, Robert routinely struggles in April. His career wRC+ is 82 in April vs. a combined 120 for all other months. As such, there is zero reason to overreact to a slow start from him as long as he is healthy. Again, you have decided Robert is a fundamentally different player now (and a terrible one at that) because of 316 bad plate appearances. It’s absolutely wild. Admittedly, I haven’t watch much White Sox baseball in 2025 but I have seen a handful of Robert at bats. If you think this is the same hitter as the one prior to last season I’m not sure what to tell you. And I really don’t care what the underlying metrics say. He’s not the same guy. The swing looks BAD and he’s missing pitches center cut on a regular basis. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 21 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Admittedly, I haven’t watch much White Sox baseball in 2025 but I have seen a handful of Robert at bats. If you think this is the same hitter as the one prior to last season I’m not sure what to tell you. And I really don’t care what the underlying metrics say. He’s not the same guy. The swing looks BAD and he’s missing pitches center cut on a regular basis. His swing is fucked up which I called out by highlighting a groundball + popup rate that’s 24% points above his career average. But why should I expect that to be permanent? It’s been literally 60 plate appearances. Baseball players adjust all the time…especially ones with track records of success. Also, not sure where you came up with this idea he’s missing in the zone all the time this year as both his zone contact rate and whiff rate are below his career averages. It’s very clear to me that you are looking for reasons to write him off at this point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 36 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: His swing is fucked up which I called out by highlighting a groundball + popup rate that’s 24% points above his career average. But why should I expect that to be permanent? It’s been literally 60 plate appearances. Baseball players adjust all the time…especially ones with track records of success. Also, not sure where you came up with this idea he’s missing in the zone all the time this year as both his zone contact rate and whiff rate are below his career averages. It’s very clear to me that you are looking for reasons to write him off at this point. I guess it’s hard not to unless proven otherwise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 7 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: My point is someone would give up something for him, even if it’s just a couple of lottery tickets. I don’t see any realistic case where we we’d decline Robert’s option unless he suffers a major injury and that’s lingering heading into the offseason. While I agree it’s more likely he’s traded for some scratch offs, there’s no way his option gets picked up if he plays like this all year. They aren’t paying $20M for this if they can just cut bait you know how this organization works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 6 hours ago, T R U said: While I agree it’s more likely he’s traded for some scratch offs, there’s no way his option gets picked up if he plays like this all year. They aren’t paying $20M for this if they can just cut bait you know how this organization works. Exactly. I envision a scenario where Robert is sitting at a sub .650 OPS come July and Getz is asking for more than he’s worth, even at a now discounted rate. Rather than accept an offer that’s considerably worse than what he received in the offseason, Getz decides to hold him in hopes he can bounce back in the second half and then trade him in the offseason. Robert then proceeds to scuffle along for the remainder of the season on another historically bad team and the Sox then decide it’s not worth picking up the $20M option for 2026. Either that or he’s injured come July and untradeable anyways while the rest of the scenario plays out as described. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 10 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: While many see it as lazy or not caring, I see a dude who is just mentally defeated and destroyed. He looks like he has zero confidence up there I should just copy and paste this for the year for everyone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 11 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: While many see it as lazy or not caring, I see a dude who is just mentally defeated and destroyed. He looks like he has zero confidence up there The quote out of Spring Training was the cry of man who wanted to leave. Obviously, his best ticket out is to play well, but the malaise that has to settle in for every player after an extended period time has to suuuuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 16 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: You really think they’re going to pick up a $20M option if he continues to carry a .657 or worse OPS this season? I sure don’t. Again, it’s not just about health only with him now like it was a couple years ago. There are also significant performance concerns now. We're 18 games into the season. April is traditionally Robert's worst month for production. May is one of his best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 (edited) White Sox with one player in Top 250 Robert #96 In theory, every team would have around 8. https://sports.yahoo.com/fantasy/article/fantasy-baseball-rest-of-season-rankings-stacking-the-top-250-players-174621384.html Edited April 18 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 20 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: My point is someone would give up something for him, even if it’s just a couple of lottery tickets. I don’t see any realistic case where we we’d decline Robert’s option unless he suffers a major injury and that’s lingering heading into the offseason. Jerry would make Getz buy him out, no doubt in my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 wRC+ up to 53. Heating up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 Gavin Lux top 50 mlb for ops...800+ coming into tonight's action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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