05/19 - White Sox vs Mariners Gamethread

[WhiteSox2023]

1 hour ago, fathom said:

He’s on the team for the next decade 

Hilarious Ed Farmer reference.  Bonus points if you can remember the player he was referring to.

[Lip Man 1]

Before the season I posted here that I hoped the Sox would play meaningful games after Memorial Day.

😆😆😆😆😆

Time to break out the CD's and DVD's and tapes of better days and winning seasons.

4th, 5th and 6th hitters in the lineup tonight hitting .186, .195 and .185

🤡 

 

[Middle Buffalo]

12 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

4th, 5th and 6th hitters in the lineup tonight hitting .186, .195 and .185

 

Is this good?

[WhiteSox2023]

11 minutes ago, Middle Buffalo said:

Is this good?

Status quo for Getz.

[caulfield12]

1 hour ago, joejoesox said:

20 games under .500 and they haven't even played 50 games yet, fucking insane

Same exact record as last year at this time, 14-34.

Then 15-34 in 2024, followed by that first stretch of consecutive losses...14.  So 15-38 is STILL going to be quite hard to beat.

Rockies, on the other hand, are well on their way (and don't get the 1-2-3 draft pick either this season).

[WhiteSox2023]

18 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Same exact record as last year at this time, 14-34.

Then 15-34 in 2024, followed by that first stretch of consecutive losses...14.  So 15-38 is STILL going to be quite hard to beat.

Rockies, on the other hand, are well on their way (and don't get the 1-2-3 draft pick either this season).

Getz FTW!!!

[chitownsportsfan]

1 hour ago, SouthChicagoBorn said:

Oh well.  That strike 3 was filthy.  But hey, they didn't quit.

they were never in it?

[greg775]

Why are the bats so quiet as summer nears? Beni baby must return.

[Lip Man 1]

22 minutes ago, greg775 said:

Why are the bats so quiet as summer nears? Beni baby must return.

Won't make that much difference if any.

Why are the bats so quiet you ask, maybe because the players swinging them all suck miserable. 

[Paulie4Pres]

2 hours ago, greg775 said:

Why are the bats so quiet as summer nears? Beni baby must return.

Because they suck?????

[greg775]

2 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said:

Won't make that much difference if any.

Why are the bats so quiet you ask, maybe because the players swinging them all suck miserable. 

We're 0-7 vs. the Cubs and Royals. So the team blows against the Cubs of the NL and all Central teams in the AL. I'm not saying the team is that bad this year compared to last.

[WhiteSox2023]

2 hours ago, greg775 said:

We're 0-7 vs. the Cubs and Royals. So the team blows against the Cubs of the NL and all Central teams in the AL. I'm not saying the team is that bad this year compared to last.

After 48 games, this team has the exact same record (14-34) as last year’s record setting team.

They ARE that bad.

[Paulie4Pres]

4 hours ago, greg775 said:

We're 0-7 vs. the Cubs and Royals. So the team blows against the Cubs of the NL and all Central teams in the AL. I'm not saying the team is that bad this year compared to last.

Well, you should be saying that.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

13 hours ago, Jake said:

Baseball

If hard hit percent meant as much as they say the Sox might be the 19th best offense in MLB. 

You'd think if you were always hitting it hard at people you'd move an inch closer to the plate.an inch farther away , change your feet around a bit , open stance a little,  close it a little, feet wider apart or closer together. Defenses have you pegged

 You have to be willing to adapt your stance in different situations depending on the type of pitcher you're facing. Didn't a decent amount of hitters used to do that with small things like moving their hands on the bat, moving up and down in the box. Don't have a lot of hitters adapting depending on the pitcher while pitcherd always adapt to individual hitters strengths and weaknesses.

Don't know how well those things ever got covered by the press. Anyone know of any players in particular who were known for that. Pete Rose maybe ? Tony Gwynn, Wade Boggs , Rod Carew ?Mightve been more common with players who were more contact oriented. Isn't that what the Sox are preaching ?

 

[chitownsportsfan]

1 hour ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

If hard hit percent meant as much as they say the Sox might be the 19th best offense in MLB. 

You'd think if you were always hitting it hard at people you'd move an inch closer to the plate.an inch farther away , change your feet around a bit , open stance a little,  close it a little, feet wider apart or closer together. Defenses have you pegged

 You have to be willing to adapt your stance in different situations depending on the type of pitcher you're facing. Didn't a decent amount of hitters used to do that with small things like moving their hands on the bat, moving up and down in the box. Don't have a lot of hitters adapting depending on the pitcher while pitcherd always adapt to individual hitters strengths and weaknesses.

Don't know how well those things ever got covered by the press. Anyone know of any players in particular who were known for that. Pete Rose maybe ? Tony Gwynn, Wade Boggs , Rod Carew ?Mightve been more common with players who were more contact oriented. Isn't that what the Sox are preaching ?

 

I've always felt players unless they are a superstar should be experimenting with different positions in the box. Vaughn tho just has a poor swing plane. He introduced a hitch trying to fix it so now he's got the worst of both world's. He is like Konerko right now when he got old and just guessed fastball and hit one hard once and awhile. Otherwise he's striking out on 4-5 pitches

[pcq]

I like the new guys but something is amiss with this lineup. Vaughn and Robert do not add much to the equation. 

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

35 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

I've always felt players unless they are a superstar should be experimenting with different positions in the box. Vaughn tho just has a poor swing plane. He introduced a hitch trying to fix it so now he's got the worst of both world's. He is like Konerko right now when he got old and just guessed fastball and hit one hard once and awhile. Otherwise he's striking out on 4-5 pitches

IDK if his plane was so bad why is he hitting the ball hard or harder than the results might indicate ?

Vargas gained weight to try to impact the ball harder, hit it farther, but it didn't work . He always had a good eye and swung at pitches he should be swinging at big he was still making poor contact. Now that they fixed his bat path by finding a hole in his swing that pitchers kept exploiting. That's bat path or plane related isn't it ? Small changes can produce better results is the point I guess. Have to do things that mix up where your weaknesses are since as a hitter you  will always be vulnerable to something's. Vargas has changed his vulnerabilities while improving his hard hit rate to be more of the hitter he was against non MLB pitching.

It's a cat and mouse game now ,each side trying  not to be the mouse.

Vaughn never had the eye against MLB pitching

 He's fooled too easily. Sox are believing he can be unlocked but no results for a long time.  They're trying to be a forward looking biomechanics type organization but they lack the experience. Getz shouldn't be talking about making decisions about who is and isn't worth planning the future around if you truly believe you can help any player become a better version of themselves.  But Vaughn's had 4 years to figure out how to hit. And he isn't going to become  a better athlete to be a better fielder. 

Edited May 20 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[greg775]

23 minutes ago, pcq said:

I like the new guys but something is amiss with this lineup. Vaughn and Robert do not add much to the equation. 

Luis Robert needs some tough love. Can u imagine Lasorda working with this guy? Isn't Robert sick of hitting below .200? It should be embarrassing that he doesn't even get two hits every 10 at bats. Why in the green earth would an MLB team want to trade for Robert? Granted he's fluid in center field on defense. But he has to be one of the worst hitters BA wise in Sox history for a regular.  Get some pride, Robert. You should be able to hit .250 in your sleep. You are at what, .186?

[chitownsportsfan]

13 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

IDK if his plane was so bad why is he hitting the ball hard or harder than the results might indicate ?

Vargas gained weight to try to impact the ball harder, hit it farther, but it didn't work . He was still making poor contact. Now that they fixed his bat path by finding a hole in his swing that pitchers kept exploiting. That's bat path or plane related isn't it ? Small changes can produce better results is the point I guess. Have to do things that mix up where your weaknesses are since as a hitter you  will always be vulnerable to something's. Vargas has changed his vulnerabilities while improving his hard hit rate to be more of the hitter he was against non MLB pitching.

It's a cat and mouse game now ,each side trying  not to be the mouse.

Plane is bad because he's hitting on top of the ball. He sorta chops down on it. He has a hard time getting his hands inside and under the ball. I'm not a swing mechanics expert I wouldn't know what to suggest but he's back to a 11 average LA so even though he's top 1/3 in hard hit metrics he's beating it into the ground too often and finding a glove otherwise. Last year he clearly was trying to hit more fly balls with a 16 average launch angle. 

Of course the often overlooked thing is he also just takes no walks these days. He's gone from a respectable walk rate to Alexei Ramirez territory in the last couple years. Hitting a lot of ground balls and not taking walks is how you end up with a 50 wRC into late May.

[almagest]

1 hour ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

If hard hit percent meant as much as they say the Sox might be the 19th best offense in MLB. 

You'd think if you were always hitting it hard at people you'd move an inch closer to the plate.an inch farther away , change your feet around a bit , open stance a little,  close it a little, feet wider apart or closer together. Defenses have you pegged

 You have to be willing to adapt your stance in different situations depending on the type of pitcher you're facing. Didn't a decent amount of hitters used to do that with small things like moving their hands on the bat, moving up and down in the box. Don't have a lot of hitters adapting depending on the pitcher while pitcherd always adapt to individual hitters strengths and weaknesses.

Don't know how well those things ever got covered by the press. Anyone know of any players in particular who were known for that. Pete Rose maybe ? Tony Gwynn, Wade Boggs , Rod Carew ?Mightve been more common with players who were more contact oriented. Isn't that what the Sox are preaching ?

 

Vaughn needs to stop hitting so many low liners and ground balls. Those are the most likely balls to be caught no matter how hard they're hit.

Edited May 20 by almagest

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

15 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

Plane is bad because he's hitting on top of the ball. He sorta chops down on it. He has a hard time getting his hands inside and under the ball. I'm not a swing mechanics expert I wouldn't know what to suggest but he's back to a 11 average LA so even though he's top 1/3 in hard hit metrics he's beating it into the ground too often and finding a glove otherwise. Last year he clearly was trying to hit more fly balls with a 16 average launch angle. 

Of course the often overlooked thing is he also just takes no walks these days. He's gone from a respectable walk rate to Alexei Ramirez territory in the last couple years. Hitting a lot of ground balls and not taking walks is how you end up with a 50 wRC into late May.

 While you were responding to my post I was editing it to talk more about Vaughn and I brought up the same things you just said about him .