WhiteSox2023 Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 (edited) Bruce LeVineLine on WSCR 670 “The Snore” just threw out a potential Sox/Cubs trade. Davis Martin for Kevin Alcántara (Cubs #5 prospect; MLB #74 prospect), plus additional considerations Obviously it won’t happen because Bruce is always wrong but I thought it was interesting. Edited May 20 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 Martin still has 5 years of control after this season. For a team that still needs pitching, this makes zero sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 10 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Martin still has 5 years of control after this season. For a team that still needs pitching, this makes zero sense. Yeah, to trade him now, I think I would need an overpay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted May 20 Author Share Posted May 20 24 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Martin still has 5 years of control after this season. For a team that still needs pitching, this makes zero sense. 21 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Yeah, to trade him now, I think I would need an overpay. Agreed. I wouldn’t say no to Matt Shaw and Kevin Alcántara for Martin, but I’m sure the Cubs would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 22 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Yeah, to trade him now, I think I would need an overpay. Sure, but until that point, this is an exercise in jerking off Cub fans. Remember all of the Sox front line pitchers have taken a step back this year in terms of their prospects. We don't have extra pitching in the system. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 Was this trade thought of by Phil Rogers before Bruce took credit lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted May 20 Author Share Posted May 20 9 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: Was this trade thought of by Phil Rogers before Bruce took credit lol They are basically the same guy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 19 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: They are basically the same guy. I always pictured Phil as the Penn and Bruce as the Teller 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted May 20 Author Share Posted May 20 14 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: I always pictured Phil as the Penn and Bruce as the Teller I actually always confused Bruce Levine with George Ofman. Both Cubs fan reporters with the worst takes ever. Brothers from another mother… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Agreed. I wouldn’t say no to Matt Shaw and Kevin Alcántara for Martin, but I’m sure the Cubs would. let's remember the market has shifted where position players are worth way, way more than even great pitchers. Alcantara would be a-ok with me for a 28 year old SP with only short-term success and coming off a major injury. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 8 minutes ago, bmags said: let's remember the market has shifted where position players are worth way, way more than even great pitchers. Alcantara would be a-ok with me for a 28 year old SP with only short-term success and coming off a major injury. With very poor advanced stats. You'd run away with this deal. Martin is more likely AAAA pitcher on an average team. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 Isn’t Alcantara’s stock plummeting? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 I'm still in the Davis Martin is not good camp, so I'd take any top 100 for him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted May 20 Author Share Posted May 20 50 minutes ago, bmags said: let's remember the market has shifted where position players are worth way, way more than even great pitchers. Alcantara would be a-ok with me for a 28 year old SP with only short-term success and coming off a major injury. My proposal is expecting way too much but I think Alcantara alone might be a little light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted May 20 Author Share Posted May 20 38 minutes ago, fathom said: Isn’t Alcantara’s stock plummeting? I think so, which is why he would be light in a one for one deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 44 minutes ago, fathom said: Isn’t Alcantara’s stock plummeting? I just don't understand why we'd expect a good return for Davis Martin. He's k'ing a bunch but is still young, fast and hits the ball hard. We are the worst organization for him to go with his hit tool, but that's true for all players in the league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 7 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said: Yeah, to trade him now, I think I would need an overpay. Absolutely, but we need to keep eyes wide open for teams willing to overpay. That said, I'm not exactly sure what 5.5 seasons of a pitcher who looks like he'll settle in at 2-3 WAR is worth in terms of prospects. But in general, I'd like 3 interesting prospects back for such a player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 Martin probably is a regression candidate, as he is decently ahead of his FIP (3.49 era vs 4.05 FIP vs xFIP 4.31) His expected ERA is actually way higher at 5.16. His K% is pretty low, but he also really dropped his BB% too, so he seems to be pitching to more outs this year. HIs BABiP is still .296, so it isn't crazy out of line though. His GB% is up 2 percentage points to almost 48%. What is wild is that his hard hit percentage is actually up this year to 45%, and his average EV has gone from 87 to over 90. It might actually be the defense is helping Davis this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 (edited) Bruce has zero credibility, he is and always has been a Cub boy Edited May 20 by Soxfest 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 No to Alcantara for anyone. The sun is setting on his prospect status. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 20 minutes ago, Timmy U said: No to Alcantara for anyone. The sun is setting on his prospect status. Anyone? I mean, I'd give them Andrew Vaughn. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted May 20 Author Share Posted May 20 55 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said: Anyone? I mean, I'd give them Andrew Vaughn. It’s too bad Vaughn couldn’t be having a halfway decent season as that trade may have made sense, but I guess the Cubs still have Matt Shaw regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 In a vacuum, selling high on a guy like Martin probably isn't the worst idea in the world. But I certainly don't trust what the Cubs would be willing to part with for him. Nor do I trust Getz to be able to find even a Davis Martin level replacement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 In a scenario where you could turn Martin into a top 100 position player prospect + another supporting piece or two, you absolutely should trade him. I don't really care that much about control of a 28 year pitcher that could easily turn into a pumpkin at anytime.   I guess didn't realize Martin was not on the MLB roster when he got hurt. Otherwise he'd have way more service time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 Don't let Getz get wind if this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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