CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 12 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Lip immediately knew what I was saying and agreed with me. You? Not so much. I wasn’t being cryptic so I’m not sure what to tell you… 🤣 You were not being cryptic but you didn't make any point either. I asked you to make a point and you said Houser is old and bad . So your point now has switched to what Lip said. How convenient for you that he figured it out for you. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said: I know what you are saying. As has been pointed out the top pitching talent appears to have regressed (big surprise right?) plus you've had six pitchers have TJS, a seventh (Gus Varland) may need it and an eight (Martin Perez) as well. Only in the world of the White Sox. Talk to the Mariners, Yankees, Mets, Cubs and Dodgers who all have 2 if not 3 starters out of the rotation with injuries 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 21 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Lip immediately knew what I was saying and agreed with me. You? Not so much. I wasn’t being cryptic so I’m not sure what to tell you… Lip agreed with you? There's a surprised. There two of you usually have such objective and divergent views from one another. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 7 minutes ago, ptatc said: Lip agreed with you? There's a surprised. There two of you usually have such objective and divergent views from one another. Sorry, but not everyone chooses to defend every bad GM after bad GM that the worst owner in baseball chooses to employ. Hahn failed miserably and Getz is doing the same. The Sox are currently on pace for the same garbage record as last season after 48 games. But I’ll wait for the typical and lame response — “But it’s a rebuild!” The fact that there would even be divergent views on these bum GMs that Jerry keeps employing is hilarious. 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyle Moooton Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 I imagine McKinvin made a suggestion here, and if you’re not going to listen to these successful outside voices what’s the point of bring them in? It’s certainly not exciting, but whatever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 55 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Sorry, but not everyone chooses to defend every bad GM after bad GM that the worst owner in baseball chooses to employ. Hahn failed miserably and Getz is doing the same. The Sox are currently on pace for the same garbage record as last season after 48 games. But I’ll wait for the typical and lame response — “But it’s a rebuild!” The fact that there would even be divergent views on these bum GMs that Jerry keeps employing is hilarious. Who is defending them in this thread?! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 I'll file this under "What's the Point." Looks like the pitching version of Slater or Tauchman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 9 minutes ago, GreenSox said: I'll file this under "What's the Point." Looks like the pitching version of Slater or Tauchman. Hopefully he can suck up some innings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 9 minutes ago, GreenSox said: I'll file this under "What's the Point." Looks like the pitching version of Slater or Tauchman. I thought for sure this was a meta post about another Getz argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 3 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Are you making a point or waiting until the consensus of the majority weighs in before you choose a side ? 3 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Not much of a point. Of course he is thats why he's available. Thank you CPT. Obvious. Looked like you were making some kind of point about the pitching depth since that's what you wrote . 1 hour ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Well duh. I gave you a chance to clarify you position but all you said was Houser is old and bad. Now you need Lip to help you be more coherent ? Maybe your point wasn't even obvious to you. So youre saying circumstances beyond any GMs control ( i.e. injuries) necessitate picking up less than desirable options to try not to suck as much. Let's make those points without needing to personally attack other posters. No response needed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 22 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said: Who is defending them in this thread?! You know the rules. If you’re not spitting out the same bot-like replies about Getz being bad, that means you think he’s doing good and everything is fine. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 For the record, I both hate this move and think it’s fine. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 Well, Bryse Wilson looks like a disaster so I'm open to trying someone new to hold down those innings. Seems like there's a chance Houser will also be a disaster and basically no chance that he does a great job, so it's hard to get too excited. And our internal options to take a rotation spot are looking truly horrific, which is unfortunate. You would have hoped that a guy like Nick Nastrini or Jairo Iriarte might be ready to get MLB starts but they really, really aren't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 10 minutes ago, Jake said: Well, Bryse Wilson looks like a disaster so I'm open to trying someone new to hold down those innings. Seems like there's a chance Houser will also be a disaster and basically no chance that he does a great job, so it's hard to get too excited. And our internal options to take a rotation spot are looking truly horrific, which is unfortunate. You would have hoped that a guy like Nick Nastrini or Jairo Iriarte might be ready to get MLB starts but they really, really aren't. Someone said back in ST that historically Wilson has only been good as a reliever and horrific as a starter. I assume with this move, Wilson will move back to the bullpen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 22 minutes ago, Snopek said: For the record, I both hate this move and think it’s fine. The likelihood that this move means anything for them down the line is slim, hurts nothing. And yea, he is not that good 😂 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 9 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Someone said back in ST that historically Wilson has only been good as a reliever and horrific as a starter. I assume with this move, Wilson will move back to the bullpen. Yeah his splits certainly pointed that way, which tbh is true for most guys who ever swing back and forth between those roles. Benefit out of the pen is if you start getting lit up you can usually get taken out before it gets very bad. I am not super optimistic that Wilson will pitch well enough to stick in the pen the whole season either but it seems like McKinven loves these ex-Brewers so maybe he gets a very long leash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 Lighting money on fire with houser. He stinks. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 15 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Lighting money on fire with houser. He stinks. Looks that way… White Sox signed RHP Adrian Houser to a one-year, $1.35 million contract. White Sox designated RHP Yoendrys Gómez for assignment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 (edited) 2 hours ago, PaleAleSox said: What "top" pitching talent has regressed? And what's with the sarcastic "big surprise right?" It's like the one thing the Sox are very good at. Honestly they haven't been great at that either. Since 2010, 3 TOR guys in Sale, Crochet and Rodon - pretty good as aces are hard to find. And then Bassitt for mid-rotation. And that's been about it. Now Martin and Cannon are looking like they might settle into solid mid-rotation starters (which is an improvement as we've had basically 1 in 15 years). And we have 3 prospects with ace potential...but as of now, it's still just potential. Edited May 20 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 14 minutes ago, GreenSox said: Honestly they haven't been great at that either. Since 2010, 3 TOR guys in Sale, Crochet and Rodon - pretty good as aces are hard to find. And then Bassitt for mid-rotation. And that's been about it. Now Martin and Cannon are looking like they might settle into solid mid-rotation starters (which is an improvement as we've had basically 1 in 15 years). And we have 3 prospects with ace potential...but as of now, it's still just potential. They developed Cease even if they didn't draft him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 10 minutes ago, GreenSox said: Honestly they haven't been great at that either. Since 2010, 3 TOR guys in Sale, Crochet and Rodon - pretty good as aces are hard to find. And then Bassitt for mid-rotation. And that's been about it. Now Martin and Cannon are looking like they might settle into solid mid-rotation starters (which is an improvement as we've had basically 1 in 15 years). And we have 3 prospects with ace potential...but as of now, it's still just potential. They also had a lot to do with ironing Gio Lopez and Cease out....at the big league level. Well, we can argue the Braves did more until Reynaldo got hurt. Dylan spent a decent amount of time in the Sox minors as well. Kopech was the biggest disappointment, obviously. Dunning did well enough to return Lynn...one of the better veteran starters in baseball at the time with TEX. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 More cannon fodder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 (edited) 15 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: They also had a lot to do with ironing Gio Lopez and Cease out....at the big league level. Well, we can argue the Braves did more until Reynaldo got hurt. Dylan spent a decent amount of time in the Sox minors as well. Kopech was the biggest disappointment, obviously. Dunning did well enough to return Lynn...one of the better veteran starters in baseball at the time with TEX. Yes, you're probably right. But I've always felt that their drafting was a bigger issue than development. They do a lot better pulling players from other teams' minor league systems.... of course everybody does, as it's much easier to evaluate. Even now it seems/feels like Shirley is a big improvement....but are the results there yet? Of course I don't know who's really doing the picking and who's doing the punting and all of that. Edited May 20 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 3 hours ago, PaleAleSox said: What "top" pitching talent has regressed? And what's with the sarcastic "big surprise right?" It's like the one thing the Sox are very good at. Grant Taylor is out of the rotation before Memorial Day, and may well be a full reliever. Despite his crazy K rate, Hagen Smith also has a very high walk rate (over 7 per 9) and is already seeing velocity issues and being skipped. Schultz has seen his K rate drop by 50%, walk rate double, and and a very pedestrian 4.50 ERA in one of the most famous pitchers parks in baseball. He's also giving up more than a hit an inning. HIs K to BB rate is down about 2/3s. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 8 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Grant Taylor is out of the rotation before Memorial Day, and may well be a full reliever. Despite his crazy K rate, Hagen Smith also has a very high walk rate (over 7 per 9) and is already seeing velocity issues and being skipped. Schultz has seen his K rate drop by 50%, walk rate double, and and a very pedestrian 4.50 ERA in one of the most famous pitchers parks in baseball. He's also giving up more than a hit an inning. HIs K to BB rate is down about 2/3s. While posting this, I didn't realize the new Iriarte news. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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