fathom Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 15 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Grant Taylor is out of the rotation before Memorial Day, and may well be a full reliever. Despite his crazy K rate, Hagen Smith also has a very high walk rate (over 7 per 9) and is already seeing velocity issues and being skipped. Schultz has seen his K rate drop by 50%, walk rate double, and and a very pedestrian 4.50 ERA in one of the most famous pitchers parks in baseball. He's also giving up more than a hit an inning. HIs K to BB rate is down about 2/3s. Yep…..not great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 Houser was the 69th pick in the 2011 draft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 8 minutes ago, flavum said: Houser was the 69th pick in the 2011 draft Heh nice 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 2 hours ago, GreenSox said: Honestly they haven't been great at that either. Since 2010, 3 TOR guys in Sale, Crochet and Rodon - pretty good as aces are hard to find. And then Bassitt for mid-rotation. And that's been about it. Now Martin and Cannon are looking like they might settle into solid mid-rotation starters (which is an improvement as we've had basically 1 in 15 years). And we have 3 prospects with ace potential...but as of now, it's still just potential. Finding 4 guys like that in the period is very impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: Grant Taylor is out of the rotation before Memorial Day, and may well be a full reliever. Despite his crazy K rate, Hagen Smith also has a very high walk rate (over 7 per 9) and is already seeing velocity issues and being skipped. Schultz has seen his K rate drop by 50%, walk rate double, and and a very pedestrian 4.50 ERA in one of the most famous pitchers parks in baseball. He's also giving up more than a hit an inning. HIs K to BB rate is down about 2/3s. Think schultz will be fine but Taylor and Smith have very serious risk at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 (edited) That Smith pick over Caglianone isn't aging well so far...the ONE thing this team MOST needs right now is a feared power threat/run producer in the middle of the line-up. Looking at that 2019 draft where we drafted Vaughn just one spot after Bobby Witt, Jr., hurts even more. Why the White Sox took him here: Keith Law called Vaughn the best pure bat in this draft, and it would have been hard to imagine Chicago passing on adding that kind of hitter with the No. 3 overall pick. As a major conference college star, Vaughn should move quickly through the minors and bring his smooth right-handed swing to the South Side sooner than later. The history of shorter first basemen as high draft picks isn't great, but Vaughn has a chance to change that here. -- Mullen Then Riley Green, CJ Abrams and Nick Lodolo in a run, yikes. The next total miss was Hunter Bishop SFG #10. Edited May 21 by caulfield12 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zisk Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 Actually a solid signing. We're bad. He needs work. Perez will be back just in time to not help us. 86JR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 10 minutes ago, zisk said: Actually a solid signing. We're bad. He needs work. Perez will be back just in time to not help us. 86JR I'm guessing Perez will be done for the season and have TJS after trying to pitch in July and not succeeding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 I think he must have read this thread or something before this start. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autumn Dreamin Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 Adrian Houser has been signed for like 8 hours, and has the same number of wins on the season as Dylan Cease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 Trade him 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 27 minutes ago, fathom said: Trade him It will happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 22 hours ago, JoshPR said: Great another bum Guess I have to eat some crow... At least for now ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 15 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: Grant Taylor is out of the rotation before Memorial Day, and may well be a full reliever. Despite his crazy K rate, Hagen Smith also has a very high walk rate (over 7 per 9) and is already seeing velocity issues and being skipped. Schultz has seen his K rate drop by 50%, walk rate double, and and a very pedestrian 4.50 ERA in one of the most famous pitchers parks in baseball. He's also giving up more than a hit an inning. HIs K to BB rate is down about 2/3s. https://southsideshowdown.com/white-sox-hagen-smith-grant-taylor-prospects-malpractice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: https://southsideshowdown.com/white-sox-hagen-smith-grant-taylor-prospects-malpractice Isn’t it weird that the same GM who supposedly turned Crochet into an ace starter by moving him from the bullpen back to a starter would approve this move for Grant Taylor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 Don’t move him to the pen full time. That’s stupid. Let him at least fail as a SP first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted May 21 Author Share Posted May 21 One good outing does not a good signing make, however Houser did everything he needed to do last night. Any added stability to the starting pitching, and to the staff as a whole, is certainly welcome. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 It seems like this front office / pitching coaching staff knows what they’re doing and/or looking for in pitching reclamation projects. If the team can develop and flip assets like Houser without taking away from legitimate development of the future of the team (guys like Burke, Smith, etc.), then I see no reason not to keep strategically dumpster diving. There are enough advanced stats and metrics these days to supplement “eye test” scouting reports to: 1. Identify legitimate flip candidates 2. Beef up validity of small sample sizes to legitimize quick turnarounds Given that, I’m in favor of signings like Houser, dumpster-diving-ness aside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 Good job, Doogie. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Isn’t it weird that the same GM who supposedly turned Crochet into an ace starter by moving him from the bullpen back to a starter would approve this move for Grant Taylor? Maybe there is an individual evaluation of each player and their capabilities as opposed to we treat everyone the same. Maybe crochet insisted he wanted to be a starter and his arm felt good throughout the process and Taylor is having trouble with his arm bouncing back after only 3 inning outings. People, not necessarily you, are stating very definite views without having all the information. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 41 minutes ago, hogan873 said: One good outing does not a good signing make, however Houser did everything he needed to do last night. Any added stability to the starting pitching, and to the staff as a whole, is certainly welcome. Not according to the passive aggressive laugher. This is spiking the football time 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 49 minutes ago, hogan873 said: One good outing does not a good signing make, however Houser did everything he needed to do last night. Any added stability to the starting pitching, and to the staff as a whole, is certainly welcome. If anyone can contribute to a win for this team its a good signing. There aren't going to be many wins this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 11 hours ago, fathom said: Trade him Odds are pretty much 100% this is the peak of his White Sox performance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 25 minutes ago, ptatc said: Maybe there is an individual evaluation of each player and their capabilities as opposed to we treat everyone the same. Maybe crochet insisted he wanted to be a starter and his arm felt good throughout the process and Taylor is having trouble with his arm bouncing back after only 3 inning outings. People, not necessarily you, are stating very definite views without having all the information. Yeah, I was going to add that to my post as a disclaimer — “obviously all players are not in the same situation.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 24 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Odds are pretty much 100% this is the peak of his White Sox performance. True. 6 innings of scoreless pitching is hard to beat for anyone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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