https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/45274273/pirates-gm-ben-cherington-says-trading-ace-paul-skenes-not-all-part-conversation

 

neither are positioned for success. 

I didn’t realize Cruz is almost 27. Thought he was about 3 years younger than that.

But no idea on the actual question. This is the Spiderman pointing meme. Neither team is good at developing players, neither team spends on good players in free agency, and both teams have owners who are major impediments to the teams success.

9 minutes ago, Snopek said:

I didn’t realize Cruz is almost 27. Thought he was about 3 years younger than that.

But no idea on the actual question. This is the Spiderman pointing meme. Neither team is good at developing players, neither team spends on good players in free agency, and both teams have owners who are major impediments to the teams success.

At least they have committed significant long term money to Reynolds and Hayes.

Caulfield I strangely feel like you wrote this article; similar styles.  Everything in it was teed up for you to further expand.  I enjoyed this.  
 

We’ll create the cure, we made the disease.  

If Teel can be the hitter he looks like tonight...that with seriously help with Quero striggling.

Yet there are rumors they will hold Teel Schultz and H.Smith in the minors until at least late April/early May next year.

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https://www.bucsdugout.com/2025/5/21/24433869/vote-are-the-pittsburgh-pirates-the-second-worst-team-in-baseball

 

3 hours ago, thedoctor said:

neither are positioned for success. 

Agreed, as long as current ownership is in charge of both franchises they are going nowhere fast.

Original question isn't even relevant. 

https://www.arcamax.com/sports/baseball/s-3716571

 

 

 

 

 

JR seems weirdly prideful of owning the Sox, despite bludgeoning the fanbase to death. I feel like he would very much like the Sox to be good, because he likes good baseball, but if they aren't built his way, so be it.

We also know that the Ishbias are waiting in the wings.

Nutting meanwhile profits off of the Pirates being bad. Instead of using the tools used to level the playing field for small market teams, he squeezes every last drop out of them. And barring being forced out by the league, he's gonna be making bank off of them for a while.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10152951-ranking-every-mlb-ownership-situation-heading-into-2025-season

Nutting 29th

JR 25th

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4 hours ago, Quin said:

JR seems weirdly prideful of owning the Sox, despite bludgeoning the fanbase to death. I feel like he would very much like the Sox to be good, because he likes good baseball, but if they aren't built his way, so be it.

We also know that the Ishbias are waiting in the wings.

Nutting meanwhile profits off of the Pirates being bad. Instead of using the tools used to level the playing field for small market teams, he squeezes every last drop out of them. And barring being forced out by the league, he's gonna be making bank off of them for a while.

Just like any rich person owning a valuable piece of art that he neither cares to look at or appreciate, nor does he allow a museum to curate and display it, but he owns it and will be very proud of owning it

13 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

"The Pirates are perennially one of the most frugal teams in the majors. Their opening day payroll this season was just under $88 million. Only the Chicago White Sox, Tampa Bay, the Athletics and Miami spent less.

Even so, Pittsburgh has received little return on its investment.

Yet it's telling that while Pittsburgh has one of the deeper pools of pitching prospects in the majors -- a list that includes hard-throwing 22-year-old Bubba Chandler and Mike Burrows, who was scheduled to make his first major league start on Thursday after going 2-1 with a 2.71 ERA for Triple-A Indianapolis -- the cupboard of homegrown position players who are on the cusp of the majors remains pretty bare five-plus years into Cherington's tenure.

The issue has been a punchless lineup that is largely nondescript outside of Reynolds, franchise icon Andrew McCutchen and center fielder Oneil Cruz.

Catcher Henry Davis, the top overall pick in the 2021 draft, remains a work in progress nearly two full years after his major league debut. Second baseman Nick Gonzales (see comparison to Jacob Gonzalez, going beyond just names), a first-rounder in 2020, is recovering from an ankle injury and has yet to establish himself as an every-day player. Former first-round picks Termarr Johnson (2022) and Konnor Griffin (2024) are still years away.

So far, the only call-ups from Triple-A have been mostly injury-related, not performance-related.

"We want guys from Triple-A to pound the door down," Cherington said. "That would be good. I still think that can happen this year. We want more of it over time. ... Everybody knows we've got to score more runs. That's not going to happen just by saying it and hoping for it. You've got to do the work to do it."

 

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/45274273/pirates-gm-ben-cherington-says-trading-ace-paul-skenes-not-all-part-conversation

 

 

Pirates win on the stadium, that one's not even close.  They're doing much better with SportsNet Pittsburgh (Penguins and Pirates) compared to CHSN (Sox/Bulls/Blackhawks).

Skenes, Bubba Chandler, O'Neil Cruz, Reynolds, Jared Jones (back from TJS next year)...lined up against maybe Shane Smith, Vargas/Meidroth (still most likely "complementary" players), Teel, Braden Montgomery, Hagen and Schultz, Grant Taylor

Quite hard not to go with the proven star power of Skenes and potentially Bubba Chandler over what we've seen out of Smith and Schultz so far this season.

O'Neil Cruz is basically their version of Luis Robert, albeit they're not trying to trade him yet.  Signing him to an extension or cutting bait and selling high would naturally be their next order of business.

 

Of course, Pirates fans have already watched in the past when guys like Taillon, Musgrove and Glasnow were all traded away for prospects, along with the likes of fan favorites such as Starling Marte and McCutcheon, with Gregory Polanco (bust) the perfectly wrong player to extend (looking like the same with KeBryan Hayes due to lack of offensive production, great GG defender through).

 

QUIT POSTING ENTIRE ARTICLES.  YOU GET A PREVIEW, NOT PARAGRAPHS!

Both owned by idiots. Pittsburgh can at least claim smaller market. 

The Sox are ahead because the Pirates don't try.   This is not a rebuild period for the Pirates.  This is standard operations for them. 

I’m not sure if I am to read Greensox reply in SpongeBob sarcasm font 

I know absolutely nothing about the Pirates, so I'll go with them. 

Debate: What tastes better, dog #&$% or cat #*%&?

36 minutes ago, wegner said:

I know absolutely nothing about the Pirates, so I'll go with them. 

They are like the White Sox except the Pirates can produce their own talent.

12 minutes ago, DoUEvenShift said:

Debate: What tastes better, dog #&$% or cat #*%&?

Answer: Campfire Milkshake

Pirates have more young MLB talent, but worse ownership and weaker market to compensate for the bad ownership.

33 minutes ago, kitekrazy said:

They are like the White Sox except the Pirates can produce their own talent.

I envy them

35 minutes ago, kitekrazy said:

They are like the White Sox except the Pirates can produce their own talent.

Oof.

19 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

If Teel can be the hitter he looks like tonight...that with seriously help with Quero striggling.

Yet there are rumors they will hold Teel Schultz and H.Smith in the minors until at least late April/early May next year.

Hagen Smith isn't even close to sniffing a big league promotion, he looks like he can't even remember how to pitch right now

8 minutes ago, joejoesox said:

Hagen Smith isn't even close to sniffing a big league promotion, he looks like he can't even remember how to pitch right now

His poor mechanics have strained his elbow