What's the bullpen solution (knowing JR will never spend here)...?

[Falstaff]

15 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

For now, it's shaping up like Grant Taylor, Pallette, Coffey....Wikelman is also now pitching out of the bullpen.  Someone else was a huge Garrett Schoenle fan and kept naming him, Coffey and Pallette on a consistent basis.

Any other ideas?

 

Grant Taylor not starting is already a source of much consternation...so converting Oppor or Tanner McDougal (he's much likelier than Oppor) will be other "next steps" here.

 

They can trade guys like Martin Perez (hopefully in July), maybe Martin (a lot of posters absolutely HATE that move, the other half are advising it), Adrian Houser...but who are your building your rotation around then after the Smith(s) and Schultz?

 

 

27	Jarold Rosado	22.8	AA	SIRP	2026	40 (don't know anything about him, but he's in BIRM)
28	Nick Nastrini	25.2	MLB	SIRP	2025	40 (terrible season so far)
29	Eric Adler	24.5	AAA	SIRP	2026	40 (possibility)
30	Pierce George	21.9	A	SIRP	2028	40 (don't know anything about him, but 10+ ERA in A ball)
31	Peyton Pallette	23.9	AA	SIRP	2026	40 (his name is showing up every single day in threads)
32	Seth Keener	23.5	A+	SIRP	2026	40 (absolutely bombed in the minors this year)
33	Blake Larson	19.2	R	SP	2029	35+ (TJS)
34	Wilfred Veras	22.4	AA	RF	2026	35+
35	Javier Mogollon	19.5	A	2B	2028	35+
36	Carson Jacobs	23.7	A+	SIRP	2027	35+ (9.92 ERA currently)
37	Mike Vasil	25.1	MLB	SP	2025	35+ (in the big league bullpen)
38	Owen White	25.7	MLB	SP	2025	35+ (looks more like a swing man/AAAA guy at this point)
39	Greg Jones	27.1	MLB	CF	2025	35+
40	Alejandro Cruz	18.3	R	3B	2031	35+

I don't know what Pallette's status is currently, but his numbers look good, bring him up, he can't do any worse than Boozer.

 

[southsider2k5]

4 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

So you agree or disagree with Ptac about making Taylor the annointed closer of the future?

Giving up on starters too quickly isn't a good solution either, because we need front line starters as well.  I thought that was previously clear before, but OK.  Also not sure why you are trying to specifically bring other people into things, but sure.

[Bob Sacamano]

21 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Giving up on starters too quickly isn't a good solution either, because we need front line starters as well.  I thought that was previously clear before, but OK.  Also not sure why you are trying to specifically bring other people into things, but sure.

Yeah, people here recently have been anointing the big 3 of the not so distant future as Smith, Schultz and Taylor for the rotation. Now, Taylor is moving to the pen. 

[southsider2k5]

8 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Yeah, people here recently have been anointing the big 3 of the not so distant future as Smith, Schultz and Taylor for the rotation. Now, Taylor is moving to the pen. 

And Smith is skipping starts to rebuild his motion because he is hurting.

[bmags]

I didn't read it but did everyone laugh at complaining about bullpen spending? It's like the one place we spend.

[BamaDoc]

Maybe one thing everyone can agree with is you never have too much pitching.

[DirtySox]

16 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Yeah, people here recently have been anointing the big 3 of the not so distant future as Smith, Schultz and Taylor for the rotation. Now, Taylor is moving to the pen. 

I hate the idea of Taylor becoming a bullpen arm already, but it sure seems like the organization has decided that's his future role.

[chitownsportsfan]

9 minutes ago, bmags said:

I didn't read it but did everyone laugh at complaining about bullpen spending? It's like the one place we spend.

Yes about half a dozen. Some goal posts were moved to midfield. What a silly premise. We almost only spent money on the bullpen during the "contention" years. It was almost all wasted other than the two years we got from Liam.

[Bob Sacamano]

10 minutes ago, bmags said:

I didn't read it but did everyone laugh at complaining about bullpen spending? It's like the one place we spend.

Yes lol I pointed out how wrong he was in the first reply.

[bmags]

good work everyone. Can't wait til we have the soxtalk ai to summarize the caulfield threads before I respond.

[DirtySox]

10 minutes ago, bmags said:

good work everyone. Can't wait til we have the soxtalk ai to summarize the caulfield threads before I respond.

Jesus Christ please no.

[southsider2k5]

15 minutes ago, BamaDoc said:

Maybe one thing everyone can agree with is you never have too much pitching.

I spent all winter saying it.

[southsider2k5]

12 minutes ago, bmags said:

good work everyone. Can't wait til we have the soxtalk ai to summarize the caulfield threads before I respond.

Don't punish a poor AI.

[Bob Sacamano]

44 minutes ago, DirtySox said:

Jesus Christ please no.

It's better than the alternative lol

[ptatc]

5 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

So you agree or disagree with Ptac about making Taylor the annointed closer of the future?

I never said I agreed with it. Right now he is in the pen and that's the way they will use him.

[DirtySox]

13 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

It's better than the alternative lol

I feel like combining AI and Caulfield is how we get Skynet and a nuclear holocaust.

Edited May 27 by DirtySox

[champagne030]

59 minutes ago, DirtySox said:

I hate the idea of Taylor becoming a bullpen arm already, but it sure seems like the organization has decided that's his future role.

Don't worry.  We have Mike McDougal's kid waiting in the wings to save the day.

[southsider2k5]

15 minutes ago, DirtySox said:

I feel like combining AI and Caulfield is how we get Skynet and a nuclear holocaust.

Hopefully it nukes itself with all of the crazy reroutes into unattached other logic eventually collapsing the system.

[tray]

Some young starting pitching prospects would never consider (unless forced into) a role as a reliever.  Some of them probably should, particularly those who have big fastballs that probably cannot work in an extended outing. Yes the money for relievers is not going to match that of a top of rotation starter, but if one can make it to the big leagues and stick as a high leverage reliever or Closer, why not?  I thought early on that Kopech should have focused on coming in for a few innings and blowing away hitters with 100mph+ fastballs, but no, he kept insisting that he could be a starter. Sox had Goode Gossage, a pitcher that went to the Yankees and had a 20+ year career as a reliever.

Edited May 27 by tray

[southsider2k5]

55 minutes ago, tray said:

Some young starting pitching prospects would never consider (unless forced into) a role as a reliever.  Some of them probably should, particularly those who have big fastballs that probably cannot work in an extended outing. Yes the money for relievers is not going to match that of a top of rotation starter, but if one can make it to the big leagues and stick as a high leverage reliever or Closer, why not?  I thought early on that Kopech should have focused on coming in for a few innings and blowing away hitters with 100mph+ fastballs, but no, he kept insisting that he could be a starter. Sox had Goode Gossage, a pitcher that went to the Yankees and had a 20+ year career as a reliever.

As a franchise we should be doing everything we can to keep our high end guys as starters.  There should be no other options left before we make them relievers.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

8 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

But they've blown almost twenty leads this season.  Their overall record should be much closer to the Angels than Rockies by pythagorean.

Plus...when the entire team starts to not believe they  can win close and tight games, it makes the manager's job that much harder.

They don't want a record closer to the Angels. They want the 2026 number 1 pick in the draft.

[Timmy U]

23 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

They don't want a record closer to the Angels. They want the 2026 number 1 pick in the draft.

Angels and Rockies can’t pick in the top 10. Possibly the Nationals are out too? Sox have a golden opportunity to get a top 3 pick in 2026.

[southsider2k5]

12 minutes ago, Timmy U said:

Angels and Rockies can’t pick in the top 10. Possibly the Nationals are out too? Sox have a golden opportunity to get a top 3 pick in 2026.

So when a team is out of a top 10 pick for a year, does a new team move into the top 10, does the odds for all of the other teams left over get distributed to the other teams, or does a team that can't move up just automatically move down to 10 no matter where their slot get pulled up and the other teams that get slotted behind them just  move up one slot?

[kitekrazy]

7 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

Giving up on starters too quickly isn't a good solution either, because we need front line starters as well.  I thought that was previously clear before, but OK.  Also not sure why you are trying to specifically bring other people into things, but sure.

 Managers do that in games now.

Pens are so inconsistent in baseball but a quality closer gets paid well.

[Y2Jimmy0]

5 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

So when a team is out of a top 10 pick for a year, does a new team move into the top 10, does the odds for all of the other teams left over get distributed to the other teams, or does a team that can't move up just automatically move down to 10 no matter where their slot get pulled up and the other teams that get slotted behind them just  move up one slot?

Odds get reconfigured. So the bottom two teams, Sox and Pirates right now have 22% odds at #1 pick and 3rd team is Baltimore with 17%. Rockies will pick 10th no matter what and Angels and Nats likely 11-12.