Buehrle>Wood Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 4 hours ago, Kyyle23 said: Omg you guys just found out about Elko in the last three months, and now he is indespensible and everything they needed but clearly they have tossed him to the curb never to return holy s%*# he was sent down 10 DAYS AGO I dont know why the reaction to wanting Elko back is this extreme. I don't see anyone actually saying he's the savior . I want him up since he's an actual 1B who plays 1B. He can also hit for some desperately needed power. I don't believe 31 sporadic at bats were much of a showcase for anyone. If nothing ever comes of him, so be it, but it would at least provide value by pushing Vargas back to 3B. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 19 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: Are we intent on turning more valuable defenders into 1B or what! That's dedication. Better than turning 1B into outfield. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 14 minutes ago, Buehrle>Wood said: I dont know why the reaction to wanting Elko back is this extreme. I don't see anyone actually saying he's the savior . I want him up since he's an actual 1B who plays 1B. He can also hit for some desperately needed power. I don't believe 31 sporadic at bats were much of a showcase for anyone. If nothing ever comes of him, so be it, but it would at least provide value by pushing Vargas back to 3B. I have said multiple times I didn’t want him sent down, I just understand that he will come back and whining that “the Sox must not have him in his plans” every day changes nothing and honestly shows that you didn’t care that he couldn’t hit the broadside of the barn when major league pitching saw where to pitch him. he is just a guy. When he comes back he will most likely remain a guy, but if you wanna pine for him, it’s all you buddy 👍🏼 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 (edited) I guess the ideal situation would bring back Elko and Teel, jettison Rojas and Capra. Vargas goes back to 3rd, and Teel/Elko/Quero/Lee (to a very lesser extent) are a combo of 1b/catcher/DH everyday. At that point, you also dump Palacios and bring back Baldwin so he can play IF and OF. Edit - and Benintendi mixes in at DH a little. Edited June 2 by PaleAleSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 Maybe they trade Elko for an Eder type. Strange things happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Deep Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 57 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: I have said multiple times I didn’t want him sent down, I just understand that he will come back and whining that “the Sox must not have him in his plans” every day changes nothing and honestly shows that you didn’t care that he couldn’t hit the broadside of the barn when major league pitching saw where to pitch him. he is just a guy. When he comes back he will most likely remain a guy, but if you wanna pine for him, it’s all you buddy 👍🏼 You may be 100% spot on..........I would like to see him get a chance to prove you right. I have an issue with giving old journeyman guys chances like PALACIOS and many others on this team but giving Elko a real chance. Maybe he will prove you right BUT maybe he may prove to be a decent MLB player. I would rather give him a chance then many of the jabronis on the team now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 12 minutes ago, 2Deep said: You may be 100% spot on..........I would like to see him get a chance to prove you right. I have an issue with giving old journeyman guys chances like PALACIOS and many others on this team but giving Elko a real chance. Maybe he will prove you right BUT maybe he may prove to be a decent MLB player. I would rather give him a chance then many of the jabronis on the team now. Again, I said I did not want him sent down. It’s just not worth crying over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 I would like to see Baldwin get some experience in the minors playing 1B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonxctf Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 personally, I'd love to see Bryan Ramos figure it out at 3B and let Vargas play 1B full time. Small sample size, but Ramos had only 1 error in 21 games at 3B last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 8 minutes ago, jasonxctf said: personally, I'd love to see Bryan Ramos figure it out at 3B and let Vargas play 1B full time. Small sample size, but Ramos had only 1 error in 21 games at 3B last year. That would be ideal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 1 hour ago, Kyyle23 said: I have said multiple times I didn’t want him sent down, I just understand that he will come back and whining that “the Sox must not have him in his plans” every day changes nothing and honestly shows that you didn’t care that he couldn’t hit the broadside of the barn when major league pitching saw where to pitch him. he is just a guy. When he comes back he will most likely remain a guy, but if you wanna pine for him, it’s all you buddy 👍🏼 Do you think the Sox have him in their plans? You seem to be talking out of both sides there lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: Again, I said I did not want him sent down. It’s just not worth crying over Who is crying over it by saying we'd like to see him back up? You are imagining a reaction that doesn't exist. The most "extreme" reaction in this thread, other than your own, even said he's like just a guy, something you agree with. Edited June 2 by Buehrle>Wood 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Deep Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 39 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: Again, I said I did not want him sent down. It’s just not worth crying over There's no crying from my part. Just a rational thought process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 23 minutes ago, Buehrle>Wood said: Do you think the Sox have him in their plans? You seem to be talking out of both sides there lol. I thought they were gonna give him a shot like they did to show he can stay hot and get to Major league pitching. I was pretty surprised he went down with Vaughn and I said as much when it happened, I thought they would give him a month or more. But they didn’t, so by my reasoning they are letting him get right in Charlotte again(hopefully) and come up mid season when the trades hopefully happen and the roster spot is just there for him. I just think the hole in that bat is a bad one, and major league pitching knows it. I hope I’m wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 (edited) 19 hours ago, nrockway said: That feels like a wild thing to say. Hilarious, unexpected, but wild. I love it but also…Dusty Baker, right? Was Sosa on those cubs? In the context of TLR not quite being the baseball genius JR think he is, which was referenced in the post I quoted, it's not a wild thing to say. Dusty Baker certainly benefited from his players juicing, but his one NL pennant (pre Astros) doesn't exactly compare to the three rings Tony has. Edited June 2 by Tnetennba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 7 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: In the context of TLR not quite being the baseball genius JR think he is, which was referenced in the post I quoted, it's not a wild thing to say. Dusty Baker certainly benefited from his players juicing, but his one NL pennant doesn't exactly compare to the three rings Tony has. Those Yankees also benefitted from some juicing if my memory serves. Torre should be on that list too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 1 hour ago, Kyyle23 said: I thought they were gonna give him a shot like they did to show he can stay hot and get to Major league pitching. I was pretty surprised he went down with Vaughn and I said as much when it happened, I thought they would give him a month or more. But they didn’t, so by my reasoning they are letting him get right in Charlotte again(hopefully) and come up mid season when the trades hopefully happen and the roster spot is just there for him. I just think the hole in that bat is a bad one, and major league pitching knows it. I hope I’m wrong On the one hand you wanted to give him a shot to show he could stay hot and get to Major league pitching and on the other you said there is a hole in his bat that major league pitching could exploit. The Sox agreed with your latter assessment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 8 minutes ago, tray said: On the one hand you wanted to give him a shot to show he could stay hot and get to Major league pitching and on the other you said there is a hole in his bat that major league pitching could exploit. The Sox agreed with your latter assessment. They waited at least two weeks too long from his peak at Charlotte... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 3 hours ago, chitownsportsfan said: Are we intent on turning more valuable defenders into 1B or what! That's dedication. Nothing like turning a potentially above average bat at a position into an average bat at best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 14 minutes ago, tray said: On the one hand you wanted to give him a shot to show he could stay hot and get to Major league pitching and on the other you said there is a hole in his bat that major league pitching could exploit. The Sox agreed with your latter assessment. And I’m not defending them sending him down, but it happened. And it kind of seems like he is scuffling in the same fashion, so maybe it was right. more time with the major league staff could have helped but it’s water under the bridge now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 4 hours ago, fathom said: Nothing like turning a potentially above average bat at a position into an average bat at best Isn’t this as simple as they want to make sure him and quero are both getting lots of reps and at bats? Teel the better catcher but having him get time at 1B isn’t a bad thing either to keep him fresh too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 20 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said: Isn’t this as simple as they want to make sure him and quero are both getting lots of reps and at bats? Teel the better catcher but having him get time at 1B isn’t a bad thing either to keep him fresh too. Other than catcher and RF/Braden...where are they going to get even average big league production in the future? Meidroth and Vargas (3B) maybe...and Bonemer? They would still need to add at least two legit hitters through free agency. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 11 hours ago, caulfield12 said: Other than catcher and RF/Braden...where are they going to get even average big league production in the future? Meidroth and Vargas (3B) maybe...and Bonemer? They would still need to add at least two legit hitters through free agency. I take it that the game plan is to trade some of their pitching for some hitters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted June 3 Author Share Posted June 3 1 hour ago, WBWSF said: I take it that the game plan is to trade some of their pitching for some hitters. You have six pitchers who have undergone TJS just this year, two more are possible. The "top" pitching prospects have struggled this year (as others have specifically pointed out). There may not be pitching to deal as you surmise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 19 hours ago, tray said: I would like to see Baldwin get some experience in the minors playing 1B. He was paying CF in Charlotte. Make no sense to play 1st base. Soon they will have guys in the pen play 1st base. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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