nrockway Posted September 11 Share Posted September 11 (edited) 14 minutes ago, ewokpelts said: What residents?! The 78 is a landlocked parcel surrounded by water and rail! Wise guy remark: is it landlocked if it borders water? 🧐 Also the rail is on the other side of the river. Actual remark: this area is pretty densely populated and part of her ward. I dunno who actually lives here though. Edited September 11 by nrockway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted September 11 Share Posted September 11 3 minutes ago, ewokpelts said: The city is NOT going to dollar lot the 35th street site. Mainly because they don’t own it ISFA does the likelihood is that the stadium is repurposed for music or soccer and they attract the red stars there with cheap rent. Followed by redeveloping the lots to the south for housing Dollar lots! Jesus Christ! chill out, bud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted September 11 Share Posted September 11 1 hour ago, ewokpelts said: What residents?! The 78 is a landlocked parcel surrounded by water and rail! as for the rock island, you need it at 15th to justify the spending for the Cta station. The more agencies the better chance it gets built. The same NIMBY residents across Clark St who were opposed the last time a subway stop was proposed at 15th &Clark? https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/residents-riled-about-proposed-cta-south-loop-station/# Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 (edited) On 9/11/2025 at 4:09 PM, ewokpelts said: Is Pat dowell stupid? You don’t want two stadiums in your Ward?! If the Ishbias come out and say they'll privately fund a $1B+ new baseball stadium at the 78 (and I understand that's a HUGE "if"), city officials would be crazy to block that effort. And I get an alderperson taking a position that reflects the concerns of her constituents, but I'd be surprised if the city spurned such an offer. There shouldn't be an issue of having events at both facilities at the same time as the Fire have home games only 2 or 3 times a month. Edited September 12 by 77 Hitmen 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 The Denver Broncos intend to build a privately-funded, retractable roof new stadium and develop the land around the new stadium into a mixed-use entertainment district. Their current stadium, Empower Field at Mile High, was built in 2001. https://www.denverpost.com/2025/09/09/broncos-stadium-burnham-yard/ https://www.denverbroncos.com/news/broncos-announce-historic-burnham-yard-as-preferred-site-for-privately-funded-retractable-roof-stadium-mixed-use-district Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 (edited) 2 hours ago, 77 Hitmen said: If the Ishbias come out and say they'll privately fund a $1B+ new baseball stadium at the 78 (and I understand that's a HUGE "if"), city officials would be crazy to block that effort. And I get an alderperson taking a position that reflects the concerns of her constituents, but I'd be surprised if the city spurned such an offer. There shouldn't be an issue of having events at both facilities at the same time as the Fire have home games only 2 or 3 times a month. Go to the 78 on foot and tell me what attractions there are around there that would justify the investment of Billions of dollars there. This tract has been a dead zone for over 100 years for good reason. There is nothing there there. Have you looked at the Fire plan that they claim will be started next year? The 3 Metra tracks, The Clark st. N and S ramps, and Roosevelt are not altered, but for a possible turn off from Roosevelt into a parking garage. They will need a wall built all along the Metra tracks for pedestrian safety. If the Fire proceed with their current plan forget about your dream to move the Sox from their historic home on 35th street to that sh1thole. Auchi and his Related companies have been pushing hard to get money to build (from Amazon, from U of I, TIF from the City) on this extremely compromised tract for over a decade. They don't care about our sports fans or the City of Chicago, they are in it for the money and they are pushing harder and harder as time goes by. Edited September 12 by tray 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 2 hours ago, tray said: Go to the 78 on foot and tell me what attractions there are around there that would justify the investment of Billions of dollars there. This tract has been a dead zone for over 100 years for good reason. There is nothing there there. Have you looked at the Fire plan that they claim will be started next year? The 3 Metra tracks, The Clark st. N and S ramps, and Roosevelt are not altered, but for a possible turn off from Roosevelt into a parking garage. They will need a wall built all along the Metra tracks for pedestrian safety. If the Fire proceed with their current plan forget about your dream to move the Sox from their historic home on 35th street to that sh1thole. Auchi and his Related companies have been pushing hard to get money to build (from Amazon, from U of I, TIF from the City) on this extremely compromised tract for over a decade. They don't care about our sports fans or the City of Chicago, they are in it for the money and they are pushing harder and harder as time goes by. I think it's a reasonably good site but the Related Idiots are blowing it. Not sure whatever happened to the U of I project, but UChicago has built a similar kind of thing in Hyde Park, the Medical District is trying to attract something like that (and has a failing one as it stands) and UIC is trying to do some kind of 'innovation center' around Harrison/Racine. There are much better, cheaper locations for such a thing. Also seems like there aren't enough of these jobs to go around and I dunno why two state universities would compete with each other particularly with federal funding at a pause for the foreseeable future. I think they could just build apartments and a park and call it a day. Ideally, just a park and maybe a little bit of retail to go along with that newish Target, movie theater, shopping mall across Roosevelt. It's developing into a neighborhood, I would be thinking more locally rather than a major arena. I'm not even sure the Fire really fit the bill. Do think it's a bit of a deadzone unless they build all that extra transportation infrastructure...which is unpopular and, imo, redundant when the City/State could spend limited funds elsewhere. But it's still well-connected to mass transit, just not a 2 minute walk. Chicagoans wouldn't mind walking 10 minutes to get to the Red/Orange/Green line. Could expand Roosevelt bus service if it was really necessary. The dream for me would be to make a new kind of Grant Park along the riverfront there. Keep the open space and offer some programming/a new site for festivals. Maybe a sports complex. They have a skate park taking up a large swath of land for some reason a mile east, how about something sports-related that kids actually like? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 4 hours ago, tray said: Go to the 78 on foot and tell me what attractions there are around there that would justify the investment of Billions of dollars there. This tract has been a dead zone for over 100 years for good reason. There is nothing there there. Have you looked at the Fire plan that they claim will be started next year? The 3 Metra tracks, The Clark st. N and S ramps, and Roosevelt are not altered, but for a possible turn off from Roosevelt into a parking garage. They will need a wall built all along the Metra tracks for pedestrian safety. If the Fire proceed with their current plan forget about your dream to move the Sox from their historic home on 35th street to that sh1thole. Auchi and his Related companies have been pushing hard to get money to build (from Amazon, from U of I, TIF from the City) on this extremely compromised tract for over a decade. They don't care about our sports fans or the City of Chicago, they are in it for the money and they are pushing harder and harder as time goes by. Because Jerry, there's a guy who really cares about sports fans, and didn't literally make billions on the back of tax subsidies and free stadiums. Good lord. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 44 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Because Jerry, there's a guy who really cares about sports fans, and didn't literally make billions on the back of tax subsidies and free stadiums. Good lord. S2K : JR's last decision , to sell to a billionaire private equity investor who is holding his cards close to his vest, might be his last laugh at sports fans. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 3 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: Because Jerry, there's a guy who really cares about sports fans, and didn't literally make billions on the back of tax subsidies and free stadiums. Good lord. In fairness, the new owner made his dollars ripping people off on their mortgages in a society where nobody can afford to buy a house. Or his dad did, and the nepo-babies just expanded it and are up against legal action. Several states have taken legal action against their company as did the federal government pre-Trump. You don't make a billion dollars by being a kind or ethical person. You're probably a criminal. The Isbhias are fucking con artists plain and simple. Us on the internet might be thinking, "why doesn't the City or State buy the team?" What if the White Sox were democratically accountable and the revenue they generated simply went to the public? Did Reinsdorf earn the money? What did he do to deserve it? Are the people in Green Bay communists? Their team seems to be pretty good. Why does this random town in Brown County have one of the best teams in NFL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Mite Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 On 9/11/2025 at 6:18 PM, nrockway said: Wise guy remark: is it landlocked if it borders water? 🧐 Also the rail is on the other side of the river. Actual remark: this area is pretty densely populated and part of her ward. I dunno who actually lives here though. I was born 4 blocks east at 14th and Michigan. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 5 hours ago, nrockway said: In fairness, the new owner made his dollars ripping people off on their mortgages in a society where nobody can afford to buy a house. Or his dad did, and the nepo-babies just expanded it and are up against legal action. Several states have taken legal action against their company as did the federal government pre-Trump. You don't make a billion dollars by being a kind or ethical person. You're probably a criminal. The Isbhias are fucking con artists plain and simple. Us on the internet might be thinking, "why doesn't the City or State buy the team?" What if the White Sox were democratically accountable and the revenue they generated simply went to the public? Did Reinsdorf earn the money? What did he do to deserve it? Are the people in Green Bay communists? Their team seems to be pretty good. Why does this random town in Brown County have one of the best teams in NFL? Wat? This is just bizarre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 (edited) 7 hours ago, nrockway said: In fairness, the new owner made his dollars ripping people off on their mortgages in a society where nobody can afford to buy a house. Or his dad did, and the nepo-babies just expanded it and are up against legal action. Several states have taken legal action against their company as did the federal government pre-Trump. You don't make a billion dollars by being a kind or ethical person. You're probably a criminal. The Isbhias are fucking con artists plain and simple. Us on the internet might be thinking, "why doesn't the City or State buy the team?" What if the White Sox were democratically accountable and the revenue they generated simply went to the public? Did Reinsdorf earn the money? What did he do to deserve it? Are the people in Green Bay communists? Their team seems to be pretty good. Why does this random town in Brown County have one of the best teams in NFL? I'm pretty sure I read once that city/county/state governments cannot own MLB teams based on league rules. If all billionaires got that way by being unethical, where does that leave us Sox fans? Are we hoping the next owners have modest resources and need to operate the team on a shoestring budget for the next 3 decades? It's fair to suggest that billionaires for the most part suck and got that way by inheritance or by exploiting others, but I'd rather have some filthy rich dude owning the team than someone who can't play with the big boys in terms of MLB payroll. And it's not like such a new owner is going to be raking in the dough solely from a team playing at a half empty, unpopular stadium that is surrounded by parking lots such that he can spend like a big market team. Edited September 13 by 77 Hitmen 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: Wat? This is just bizarre. I think it's bizarre to think the new owner cares about you. Or that any of these people somehow made this amount of money ethically. Somehow, mortgage con artists seem even worse to me in the midst of a housing crisis. Jerry made his dough helping to hide rich people's money, also not good, but prompted, maybe, the one good piece of legislation from Reagan's term. People like Dan Gilbert and the Ishbias are continuing to defraud Americans. Here's a lawsuit the company is involved in: https://nationalmortgageprofessional.com/news/ohio-sues-united-wholesale-mortgage-over-broker-scheme “Buying a home is hard enough without having to worry about a lender scheming behind your back,” Yost said. “This predatory business practice has no place in Ohio.” Another one is just about the hostile work environment/environment rife with sexual harassment: https://www.opn.ca6.uscourts.gov/opinions.pdf/25a0097p-06.pdf A third where the company allegedly stole from its' employees retirement plan: https://nationalmortgageprofessional.com/news/uwm-accused-mismanaging-401k-assets-class-action-lawsuit All of these billionaires are basically criminals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 4 hours ago, The Mighty Mite said: I was born 4 blocks east at 14th and Michigan. A lot different these days, innit? What's actually left besides that fire station they turned into a restaurant? Feels to me like everything in that area is brand new. 30 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said: I'm pretty sure I read once that city/county/state governments cannot own MLB teams based on league rules. If all billionaires got that way by being unethical, where does that leave us Sox fans? Are we hoping the next owners have modest resources and need to operate the team on a shoestring budget for the next 3 decades? It's fair to suggest that billionaires for the most part suck and got that way by inheritance or by exploiting others, but I'd rather have some filthy rich dude owning the team than someone who can't play with the big boys in terms of MLB payroll. And it's not like such a new owner is going to be raking in the dough solely from a team playing at a half empty, unpopular stadium that is surrounded by parking lots such that he can spend like a big market team. Yeah I don't disagree. It is what it is. I just think it's amusing to say the guy "cares about sports fans" or somehow feels some noblesse oblige to Sox fans. Orioles fans got fooled. This is an investment for them. The racketeering Mets owner is arguably the biggest con artist and my conspiracy theory is that he's spending all his money before the SEC takes it from him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 30 minutes ago, nrockway said: I think it's bizarre to think the new owner cares about you. Or that any of these people somehow made this amount of money ethically. Somehow, mortgage con artists seem even worse to me in the midst of a housing crisis. Jerry made his dough helping to hide rich people's money, also not good, but prompted, maybe, the one good piece of legislation from Reagan's term. People like Dan Gilbert and the Ishbias are continuing to defraud Americans. Here's a lawsuit the company is involved in: https://nationalmortgageprofessional.com/news/ohio-sues-united-wholesale-mortgage-over-broker-scheme “Buying a home is hard enough without having to worry about a lender scheming behind your back,” Yost said. “This predatory business practice has no place in Ohio.” Another one is just about the hostile work environment/environment rife with sexual harassment: https://www.opn.ca6.uscourts.gov/opinions.pdf/25a0097p-06.pdf A third where the company allegedly stole from its' employees retirement plan: https://nationalmortgageprofessional.com/news/uwm-accused-mismanaging-401k-assets-class-action-lawsuit All of these billionaires are basically criminals. That was quite literally my succinct point, I just don't know what the long journey through forms of world government had to do with anything, but sure. Also Jerry is a huge real estate guy, and has also been sued for discrimination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 On 9/10/2025 at 3:20 PM, Sleepy Harold said: Here's is Marc Ganis's response to this request: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 21 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: That was quite literally my succinct point, I just don't know what the long journey through forms of world government had to do with anything, but sure. Also Jerry is a huge real estate guy. 🤷♀️ You were the one making fun. If that was your point, you didn't express it very well. You seemed to make the point that the new owner "cares" and I'd argue he doesn't give a s%*# the same as Jerry. Mind you, I'm not defending JR, simply that all of these bozos are cut from the same cloth. Public ownership is the way it should be. Well-funded, democratically accountable, the profits go to the people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 3 minutes ago, nrockway said: 🤷♀️ You were the one making fun. If that was your point, you didn't express it very well. You seemed to make the point that the new owner "cares" and I'd argue he doesn't give a s%*# the same as Jerry. Mind you, I'm not defending JR, simply that all of these bozos are cut from the same cloth. Public ownership is the way it should be. Well-funded, democratically accountable, the profits go to the people. I made the point that he and Jerry are the same people. Definitely nothing about Democracy, Socialism, or Communism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxrwhite Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 (edited) 4 hours ago, The Mighty Mite said: I was born 4 blocks east at 14th and Michigan. Born there but how long since you lived there. Answer the question please. Edited September 13 by soxrwhite mispelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 49 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: I made the point that he and Jerry are the same people. Definitely nothing about Democracy, Socialism, or Communism. ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Mite Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 1 hour ago, soxrwhite said: Born there but how long since you lived there. Answer the question please. Moved to what is now Wrigleyville in 195O. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewokpelts Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 On 9/12/2025 at 4:11 PM, 77 Hitmen said: If the Ishbias come out and say they'll privately fund a $1B+ new baseball stadium at the 78 (and I understand that's a HUGE "if"), city officials would be crazy to block that effort. And I get an alderperson taking a position that reflects the concerns of her constituents, but I'd be surprised if the city spurned such an offer. There shouldn't be an issue of having events at both facilities at the same time as the Fire have home games only 2 or 3 times a month. I figure this is the case. The number of times both facilities would be used at the same time is low. The reality is that both facilities use the same Infrastructure and resources like parking and mass transit which make them complementary to each other instead of competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewokpelts Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 22 hours ago, nrockway said: I think it's a reasonably good site but the Related Idiots are blowing it. Not sure whatever happened to the U of I project, but UChicago has built a similar kind of thing in Hyde Park, the Medical District is trying to attract something like that (and has a failing one as it stands) and UIC is trying to do some kind of 'innovation center' around Harrison/Racine. There are much better, cheaper locations for such a thing. Also seems like there aren't enough of these jobs to go around and I dunno why two state universities would compete with each other particularly with federal funding at a pause for the foreseeable future. I think they could just build apartments and a park and call it a day. Ideally, just a park and maybe a little bit of retail to go along with that newish Target, movie theater, shopping mall across Roosevelt. It's developing into a neighborhood, I would be thinking more locally rather than a major arena. I'm not even sure the Fire really fit the bill. Do think it's a bit of a deadzone unless they build all that extra transportation infrastructure...which is unpopular and, imo, redundant when the City/State could spend limited funds elsewhere. But it's still well-connected to mass transit, just not a 2 minute walk. Chicagoans wouldn't mind walking 10 minutes to get to the Red/Orange/Green line. Could expand Roosevelt bus service if it was really necessary. The dream for me would be to make a new kind of Grant Park along the riverfront there. Keep the open space and offer some programming/a new site for festivals. Maybe a sports complex. They have a skate park taking up a large swath of land for some reason a mile east, how about something sports-related that kids actually like? The 78 at one point was proposed as an actual neighborhood, complete with a mix of (very expensive) single family homes and condos/townhomes. what happened? oh I know what, massive environmental cleanup costs for residential, hence the pivot to sports venues. Not a skate park Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewokpelts Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 On 9/11/2025 at 6:22 PM, Tnetennba said: The same NIMBY residents across Clark St who were opposed the last time a subway stop was proposed at 15th &Clark? https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/residents-riled-about-proposed-cta-south-loop-station/# Can’t fix stupid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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